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Sujet vs Petrol Power

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,969 posts
    paraletic said:

    Damien Wyer said:

    $394,000 in stakes with a $100,000 race waiting in nine weeks after a short break. He surely is now the front running horse for 3YO HOTY in WA ?

    Love this horse DW and owned by an absolute gentleman in Sam. You dont mind when blokes like him are successful. Maybe David's horse mite be better??
    Sam is a very good family friend. He is Nick's number one fan, and very generous to him. Already he has offered to sponsor him through his formative tennis career. In short I would buy Sam horses, or assist in the process with whatever Trainer he wished me to work with, and I would do it for nothing. That's what friends do.

    His son David was supposed to be the buyer of Petrol Power whilst he was overseas, but the price went way past his instructions. So this year buying the Testa Rossa was perfect for him as he loves Ferrari's. Hopes are high that this gelding will be every bit as good as Petrol Power.

    It is a real pity Resetgold didn't get a start yesterday, she is in the condition of her racing career we are told.

    There are a couple of other less expensive horses to follow next year. A So Secret gelding, a Passenger I really liked, and a Choisir that wasn't perfect but worth the risk.

    Sam's other Trainer, Eric Wake has a couple as well, one of which I think could be a lot of fun if he fulfills the promise he is showing.
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  • trojanhorsetrojanhorse    345 posts
    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:

    How was he poorly handled ??? Paddy rode it a treat got a soft lead JBrown did the smart thing and put it to him before the corner maybe he just aint that good unless he pulled up shinny  

    Poorly handled by the trainer. Douglas Whyte rode it really well and Patrick Carbery also.Not very clever of trainer to have first start in listed race then to do a group race over 1400 meters straight after - I think the trainer is acting to clever  and failing. Sujet is a nice horse poorly trained.

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited December 2013
    Seriously people how would Damien possibly benefit from lying publicly about this, if in fact he had lied and subsequently been exposed, he loses all credibility, clearly some on here need to take a good long hard look at themselves and then grow the faark up.

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    trojanhorse said:

    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:

    How was he poorly handled ??? Paddy rode it a treat got a soft lead JBrown did the smart thing and put it to him before the corner maybe he just aint that good unless he pulled up shinny  

    Poorly handled by the trainer. Douglas Whyte rode it really well and Patrick Carbery also.Not very clever of trainer to have first start in listed race then to do a group race over 1400 meters straight after - I think the trainer is acting to clever  and failing. Sujet is a nice horse poorly trained.
    Well said 
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  • motivatedmotivated    334 posts
    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:

    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:

    How was he poorly handled ??? Paddy rode it a treat got a soft lead JBrown did the smart thing and put it to him before the corner maybe he just aint that good unless he pulled up shinny  

    Poorly handled by the trainer. Douglas Whyte rode it really well and Patrick Carbery also.Not very clever of trainer to have first start in listed race then to do a group race over 1400 meters straight after - I think the trainer is acting to clever  and failing. Sujet is a nice horse poorly trained.
    Well said 
    You blokes are fair dinkum mugs....
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  • trojanhorsetrojanhorse    345 posts
    motivated said:

    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:

    dungy said:

    trojanhorse said:


    trojanhorse said:


    You blokes are fair dinkum mugs....
    motivate - if you think Sujet is been well trained - then it is you who is the mug. Please pass a message to your trainer to look after Sujet better.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    edited December 2013
    you must have been very busy.
    i thought you would have replied long before now. O:-)

    EDIT: not you trojan, but simon.
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  • motivatedmotivated    334 posts
    If you have a personal problem with the trainer that's your issue not mine, but strike rates don't lie, and happy to have him up there with the best trainers in WA.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    strike rate is exceptional without a doubt, no matter how it's looked at.
    you must have a very high opinion of sujet to kick off at this standard.
    is that belief still holding?
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    motivated said:

    If you have a personal problem with the trainer that's your issue not mine, but strike rates don't lie, and happy to have him up there with the best trainers in WA.

    Its easy if you don't like it don't read !!! Its all opinion the proof was in the pudding the horse got beat ,,so who is the mug
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited December 2013
    Andrew Carter said:

    Seriously people how would Damien possibly benefit from lying publicly about this, if in fact he had lied and subsequently been exposed, he loses all credibility, clearly some on here need to take a good long hard look at themselves and then grow the faark up.

    as you have told us many times ANDREW, you can normally spot a superstar before anyone else, maybe you and Damo should get together.

    One thing is for sure, If Sam, Jimmy and Damo all go to the sales on the GC, the only horse Sam will be buying is the one Jimmy picks out, unless it gets the JT tick he wont buy it no matter how many vets look at the xrays ;)

    Be assured Damo will get to sign for it
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Yes I definitely read videos better than most, can't argue with that.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    Andrew Carter said:

    Seriously people how would Damien possibly benefit from lying publicly about this, if in fact he had lied and subsequently been exposed, he loses all credibility, clearly some on here need to take a good long hard look at themselves and then grow the faark up.


    One thing is for sure, If Sam, Jimmy and Damo all go to the sales on the GC, the only horse Sam will be buying is the one Jimmy picks out, unless it gets the JT tick he wont buy it no matter how many vets look at the xrays ;)

    Be assured Damo will get to sign for it
    Before Damo gets on here and fires a reply back..I know that is not the situation all the time..Why else would Sam be placing horses elsewhere????

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited December 2013
    dungy said:

    motivated said:

    If you have a personal problem with the trainer that's your issue not mine, but strike rates don't lie, and happy to have him up there with the best trainers in WA.

    Its easy if you don't like it don't read !!! Its all opinion the proof was in the pudding the horse got beat ,,so who is the mug
    @dungy

    :-? according to  http://www.risa.com.au/FreeServices/Premierships.aspx?State=WA&Season=2012&Table=Metro+Trainer
    SA Miller has by the far the highest strike rate of the top 5 trainers in Perth.

    I've noticed you continually and consistently stick the boots into him - care to share why?

    I'm guessing its not because of his training ability :-?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,969 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    Andrew Carter said:

    Seriously people how would Damien possibly benefit from lying publicly about this, if in fact he had lied and subsequently been exposed, he loses all credibility, clearly some on here need to take a good long hard look at themselves and then grow the faark up.

    as you have told us many times ANDREW, you can normally spot a superstar before anyone else, maybe you and Damo should get together.

    One thing is for sure, If Sam, Jimmy and Damo all go to the sales on the GC, the only horse Sam will be buying is the one Jimmy picks out, unless it gets the JT tick he wont buy it no matter how many vets look at the xrays ;)

    Be assured Damo will get to sign for it
    I can offer you a rock solid guarantee, if I say no it won't get bought. Now that is not to say Jim Taylor wouldn't buy it for himself, but Sam won't purchase any horse unless he likes it and those who he talks to like it as well.

    I only sign for horses I am prepared to take the credit or failure that may come.  Yes I do pay for x-rays for stock that I am going to bid on, to do not so when they are available is just foolish. What you do with the information and interpretation is up to you as a buyer, but to buy in blissful ignorance is only for the foolhardy.

    As Rio mentioned, I don't only assist Sam to purchase. I won't mention them publicly, but several Trainers have asked me in recent months for various levels of assistance. Some in marketing, many asking for client referrals, some even in stock selection.

    You trying to run down my business just starts to get old. I'm sure many will mention it in the coming days when they see me in person.
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    I am not running down your business at all, you keep taking credit for picking PP out when everyone knows that is not the truth. Once you knew it was Jim's pick sure you had people check it out, but the fact is Jimmy picked it out days before he told you what Lot No.

    "Sam's great, having an owner with his coin. We went to the sales and I just loved hime when I saw him and I said he will probably go for over $150,000 or more and Sam just said if you like him buy him."
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited December 2013
    Need something to do with the extra 35 hrs and 58 minutes =))

    I don't have the coin :( but lot 201 or 202 would do me for a quickie ;;)


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  • LarkhillLarrikinLarkhillLarrikin    67 posts
    Damien, are you saying that if Jimmy Taylor likes it, Sam likes it , But you don't, then it won't be purchased ?
    I think Jimmy summed up the purchase of PP very well in his acceptance speech.
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    Piston_Broke said:

    I am not running down your business at all, you keep taking credit for picking PP out when everyone knows that is not the truth. Once you knew it was Jim's pick sure you had people check it out, but the fact is Jimmy picked it out days before he told you what Lot No.

    "Sam's great, having an owner with his coin. We went to the sales and I just loved hime when I saw him and I said he will probably go for over $150,000 or more and Sam just said if you like him buy him."
    And I'm sure 100 other people had liked the horse before JT and DW had even looked at it - seriously not a big deal either way!
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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    You would have to say jim taylor has done a great job not pushing this horse.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,969 posts
    I won't talk about Petrol Power if the noise will stop. I feel bad just photographing the horse because of what people now label as a perceived bias.

    The next one is being talked about as even better. I probably didn't buy that one either.


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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Just ignore the clowns Damien, they're sad, embittered and jealous of anyone who has any success, if anything they should be pitied.

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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Damien Wyer said:

    I won't talk about Petrol Power if the noise will stop. I feel bad just photographing the horse because of what people now label as a perceived bias.

    The next one is being talked about as even better. I probably didn't buy that one either.


    you didn't, breeders still own it, I don't know if it's better but I do know JT thinks it is very very special, but evidently it is a pig of a thing
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  • PuntingTragicPuntingTragic    1,141 posts
    Sujet might win at Pini or Albany but that is his whack hugely over rated  horse has little ticker as I pointed out before its run on Saturday its just another wannabe and nothing special at all dont know why all the hype over it and it was ridiculous the short price god bless PP

     Sujet Fluked a place first up of a gun ride by D Whyte

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,471 posts

    i think that no matter how good you think the horse is, give it some confidence boosting runs and wins at the provincials or mid-week.

    simon is not adverse to taking horses to the country so sujet must have shown him something special for him to throw him in at the deep end.

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    The horse was finished before they straightened up PT.

    Hope for the connections, whatever went wrong is not major.

    There was 10 horses behind this "wannabe" in the Placid Ark.

    Care to enlighten us with your description of these :-?
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  • PuntingTragicPuntingTragic    1,141 posts
    He folded under pressure simple as that
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    i doubt the trainer would throw it in at the deep end unless he thought it worthy.
    i think it worked too hard, and also maybe the 1st run did something.
    being slow to recover would back up those thoughts too.
    whatever, saturday's run was better than the fu run imo.
    i would not be too hasty to write it off just yet.

    think petrol power went to another level, above it's fu run too.

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  • lamelame    1,757 posts
    only a select few can show anything 2nd up

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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    lame said:

    only a select few can show anything 2nd up

    thats what my wife says.

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