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Railway Stakes Final Field

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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    2008 Railway

    Race 7, ASCOT, Saturday 22/11/2008 (as at 24/11/2008 12:38 PM)
    Race 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 4:10 PM CARLTON DRAUGHT-RAILWAY STAKES
    Group I - 3 YEARS OLD & UPWARDS
    Prize Money: Of: $1,000,000 (and trophies valued at $10,000); 1st: $622,500 (inc. trophies); 2nd: $200,000; 3rd: $90,000; 4th: $40,000; 5th: $20,000; 6th: $12,500; 7th: $12,500; 8th: $12,500
    Distance and Weight: 1600 metres, minimum 50 kg
    RBH:

    # Horse Bl St Br Wgt Rtg Rider Trainer
    1 MARASCO 14 57.5 116 WILLIAM PIKE FRED KERSLEY
    2 NICONERO 8 56 113 BRAD RAWILLER DAVID HAYES
    3 SNIPER'S BULLET B 5 55 111 MICHAEL RODD TRACEY BARTLEY
    4 BANK ROBBER 2 54 109 BLAKE SHINN GAI WATERHOUSE
    5 THE FUZZ(NZ) B 7 52.5 106 BRAD PARNHAM DAVID HAYES
    6 ACTION PAK B 15 52 103 SHAUN O'DONNELL JUSTINE ERKELENS
    7 ANNENKOV(IRE) 1 52 105 LUKE NOLEN PETER MOODY
    8 BEAT THE STORM B 10 52 98 LUCAS CAMILLERI ROSS PRICE
    9 FAMOUS ROMAN B 11 52 100 JASON WHITING KEN WILLIAMSON
    10 GILDED VENOM 9 52 101 PATRICK CARBERY STEVE WALLACE
    11 HARTLEYS DREAM 16 52 97 TROY TURNER PETER GIADRESCO
    12 MAJESTICAL(NZ) 6 52 103 WAYNE HOKAI MATTHEW ENRIGHT
    13 PILLAR OF HERCULES * 12 52 102 GLEN BOSS PETER MOODY
    14 RIGHTFULLY YOURS 4 52 102 CRAIG NEWITT MICK PRICE
    15 TARZI 3 52 98 STEVEN PARNHAM NEVILLE PARNHAM
    16 GRAND NIRVANA B 13 50 83 PETER KNUCKEY FRED KERSLEY
    17 I COMMAND B SC 16 52 95 SCRATCHED

    Total rating points 1647


    2009 Railway

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    CRIS: Race Field Listing
    Race 7, ASCOT, Saturday 21/11/2009 (as at 21/11/2009 3:59 PM)
    Race 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 3:40 PM CARLTON DRAUGHT-RAILWAY STAKES
    Group I - 3 YEARS OLD & UPWARDS
    Prize Money: Of: $1,000,000 (and trophies valued at $15,400); 1st: $627,900 (inc. trophies); 2nd: $200,000; 3rd: $90,000; 4th: $40,000; 5th: $20,000; 6th: $12,500; 7th: $12,500; 8th: $12,500
    Distance and Weight: 1600 metres, minimum 50 kg
    RBH: METRO - HCP (-8.5) 101+

    # Horse Bl St Br Wgt Rtg Rider Trainer
    1 MEGATIC 9 57 111 PATRICK CARBERY ALBIE BECKETT
    2 SNIPER'S BULLET B 12 56.5 110 NASH RAWILLER TRACEY BARTLEY
    3 ALL AMERICAN B 2 56 109 COREY BROWN DAVID HAYES
    4 GOLD SALUTE B 6 55.5 108 DAMIEN OLIVER MARK A RILEY
    5 LARGO LAD 8 54 105 GLEN BOSS DAVID HAYES
    6 ORTENSIA 11 53.5 104 CRAIG WILLIAMS TONY NOONAN
    7 TARZI 4 53 103 PAUL HARVEY NEVILLE PARNHAM
    8 COLOUR CORRECT 15 52 84 LUCAS CAMILLERI ROSS PRICE
    9 ELLIOTTO 1 52 101 STEVEN PARNHAM NEVILLE PARNHAM
    10 FAMOUS ROMAN B 3 52 101 JASON WHITING KEN WILLIAMSON
    11 GRAND NIRVANA B 10 52 100 DANIEL STAECK FRED KERSLEY
    12 KASABIAN SC 5 52 95 SCRATCHED
    13 KEYTOMONEY 14 52 101 WILLIAM PIKE MICHAEL LANE
    14 LORDS RANSOM 7 52 100 ALAN KENNEDY ADAM DURRANT
    15 OROYA GOLD 13 52 91 TROY TURNER DANIEL MORTON
    16 SPIRITED ONE 5 52 93 PETER KNUCKEY PAULA WAGG
    17 LAMBTON CASTLE B E1 16 52 88 SHAUN MC GRUDDY LINDSEY SMITH
    18 COCONUT GROVE SC 9 52 78 SCRATCHED

    Total rating points 1609

    So between the two races there was a 38 point drop in ratings. In fact at 100.56, this years race only just crested the 100 rating barrier that surely must be a minimum standard for a Group 1 Race ?
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    yawn.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    said:

    yawn.

    I second that. Does this forum have an 'ignore' facility like hotcopper.com?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Now there's comedy Gold.............(or Copper) !!! :lol:
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    said:

    yawn.

    If it was only that simple we would all be rich eh diva.

    He forgot to add the 47 points extra CC SHOULD HAVE been rated at!!!! :lol:
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  • super.imposesuper.impose    43 posts
    tete-you seem to have agenda to just bag watc and now that movd to the group races.problem is you dont have level of knowldge you thnk you do. Relative newcomer to indstry id say.races are not assesed on hcp rtgs you keep raising.international perform rtgs are used that are quite diff.didn't you ntice scenic blast in paper at int rtg 122 for win in newmrket and england but on rvl website hcp rtg after newmrket just 116.leave it to carey who does his homework or ask someone else who knows
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Holy crap.............. 11 points for coming third.

    Would suggest Snipers is pretty much finished then too, at 116 (bar WFA)
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Also post race ratings count for a lot, hence CC was dragging the average down, but now being rated at 95 makes up a big chunk of that 36 points (or whatever it was)
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Interesting to note that all first 8 placegetters are 100+ raters bar CC, which you would assume will be by seasons end (also a factor to be calculated for race grading).

    Only 4 starters out of 16 are rated below 100, and probably only 2 of those won't be 100+ by seasons end (or by end of 2009 even !)
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Holy crap.............. 11 points for coming third.

    Would suggest Snipers is pretty much finished then too, at 116 (bar WFA)

    One, or three races too late though, and cant understand how he justifies doing it NOW but couldn't THEN.
    It detracts from his credibility and knowledge of what he is supposed to understand.

    That rating(SB) won't necessarily transfer to East although it may do, but even then it probably won't hurt much because it would likely be racing against horses with higher ratings.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Megatic the big winner (ratings wise) - dropped 2
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
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    Interesting to note that all first 8 placegetters are 100+ raters bar CC, which you would assume will be by seasons end (also a factor to be calculated for race grading).

    Only 4 starters out of 16 are rated below 100, and probably only 2 of those won't be 100+ by seasons end (or by end of 2009 even !)

    AS far as future grading of WA races is concerned the pattern committee at their last meeting earlier this year have only 1 WA race with a caution maeaning that a downgrade would be considered next year if nothing improves.

    That race is the Kalgoorlie Cup
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  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    Far worse listed races going around than the Kal Cup, Corporate Sam's for example
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  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    Downgrading the Kalgoorlie Cup is far from the answer!!!!
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  • DarrahDarrah    2,933 posts
    said:

    Far worse listed races going around than the Kal Cup, Corporate Sam's for example

    Agree
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    tete-you seem to have agenda to just bag watc and now that movd to the group races.problem is you dont have level of knowldge you thnk you do. Relative newcomer to indstry id say.races are not assesed on hcp rtgs you keep raising.international perform rtgs are used that are quite diff.didn't you ntice scenic blast in paper at int rtg 122 for win in newmrket and england but on rvl website hcp rtg after newmrket just 116.leave it to carey who does his homework or ask someone else who knows

    Been watching Group races for 30 years, so yes I'm a newcomer.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    Holy crap.............. 11 points for coming third.

    Would suggest Snipers is pretty much finished then too, at 116 (bar WFA)

    Isn't that the mark they have Marasco on ?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Exactly - buggered ;)

    Not like SB was winning races otherwise though, so would think be pretty happy to collect $670k, plus whatever can garnish from the KT, and wander off merrily.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    Exactly - buggered ;)

    Not like SB was winning races otherwise though, so would think be pretty happy to collect $670k, plus whatever can garnish from the KT, and wander off merrily.

    He ran a really good race last year over 1800M, with luck in running he may just snag this one as well. The horse is getting on a bit, so maybe they might retire him after this Summer.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Exactly

    Best of luck to them
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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    said:

    Exactly

    Best of luck to them

    Agree, of all the e/s raiders, this is the horse/trainer combination who certainly deserve a good ending!
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    The claim this morning that the Railway Stakes is now Australia's greatest mile race is surely an overstatement. Just because the race is run for $1M does not make it the greatest race. The field this year wasn't even as strong as last year.

    To rank it above the Epsom is a stretch beyond anything I have heard in recent years.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Tete your a dead set broken record you have a serious problem with PR or anyone connected with it if there is nothing positive to add do us all a favour!!!!!
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
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    Tete your a dead set broken record you have a serious problem with PR or anyone connected with it if there is nothing positive to add do us all a favour!!!!!

    Just levelling up the scales.
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  • wozzawozza    233 posts
    give it a break mate
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