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What say you?
Theoretically it sounds fine,but let us wait and see the detail.
Pleased to see that they have finally listened to Rodent!
The bit that I find humorous is this.....
“Ratings based programming in jurisdictions overseas operates most effectively where Handicappers have the latitude to apply merit based handicapping principles, while handicapping in much of Australia is now interpreted to be a points system with stakeholder expectations of fixed penalties. This has resulted in less horses progressing through the system than dropping back which puts pressure on field sizes in the higher grades.” Hunter said.
....If I could be bothered looking for it, I know I would find him saying exactly the opposite...merit based does not work in Australia or words to that effect.
Although I think it may be good, their history of one stuff up after the other, does not instil confidence that this will be any better.
And one other small detail Mr Hunter....the reason they could not progress was because you dills removed all those higher grade welters and 84+ from the calendar and basically went straight from 72+(odd 78+) to 90+, so just how could they 'progress'?
Theoretically it sounds fine,but let us wait and see the detail.
Pleased to see that they have finally listened to Rodent!
The bit that I find humorous is this.....
“Ratings based programming in jurisdictions overseas operates most effectively where Handicappers have the latitude to apply merit based handicapping principles, while handicapping in much of Australia is now interpreted to be a points system with stakeholder expectations of fixed penalties. This has resulted in less horses progressing through the system than dropping back which puts pressure on field sizes in the higher grades.” Hunter said.
....If I could be bothered looking for it, I know I would find him saying exactly the opposite...merit based does not work in Australia or words to that effect.
Although I think it may be good, their history of one stuff up after the other, does not instil confidence that this will be any better.
And one other small detail Mr Hunter....the reason they could not progress was because you dills removed all those higher grade welters and 84+ from the calendar and basically went straight from 72+(odd 78+) to 90+, so just how could they 'progress'?
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GaryH likes this post.
so are they going to release a template and tell us what they THINK is the difference between each new grade?
the handicapping department was too friggen lazy to update the last template so the one people see is far far out of date.
do you guys plan on extracting a digit and actually releasing a new updated template, so that your blurb of transparency is actually true, instead of just more talk?
http://www.rwwa.com.au/home/media-centre/changes-to-thoroughbred-race-programming-3445.html
RWWA Manager Thoroughbred Racing David Hunter said “the return to a graduation style system where eligibility is based on career wins rather than handicap rating is intended to address the issue of small field sizes at metropolitan prime meetings.”
So by excluding out of form horses whose rating is on the slide, you expect field sizes to increase? I don't see how excluding horses from an already small pool will increase field sizes.
There's lots of horses currently running on Saturdays that aren't scaring off opposition. Making them ineligible to run on Saturdays won't increase field sizes.
Anything that has won twice on a Saturday in its career would be ineligible unless good enough to go in a 72+? Essayez???
I believe an erroneous assumption has been made. Stopping horses like Essayez from running on a Saturday will encourage more horses to run on a Saturday because they won't be scared off by horses with multiple city wins coming back in grade =))
I believe a 3mw grade is needed as well as a 1mw.
Trainers need to be given no choice but to run on a Saturday. This is the only sure way to increase field sizes at prime meetings. That means progressing and not coming back. Ridiculously, it looks like you can win 5 races in a row on a Saturday and be eligible to run in a C5 on a Wednesday! FFS, that is a joke. Essayez can't run on a Saturday unless prepared to race way out of its grade but a horse dominating the Saturday scene can run in a midweek? Ludicrous.
Push horses through the grades towards Saturdays and don't let them drop back in grade. Have enough grades at the right class scale so horses can compete at their level.
The old system worked. This system won't.
or listed race. This is a significant change from pre-2007 when horses ‘jumped’ classes when winning special conditions or open races".
but not sure what grade one was eligible for after winning one.
i can't remember if winners could drop to a class 6 midweek or have to go to r1mw(if they had only won 1) or r2mw and r3mw
whatever, it was a fabulous and very simple class system in those days, and the field sizes were just fine.
i think ratings based was brought in, so that horses could drop grades and keep going longer, so that the tab's would have more product for people to lose their money on.
but in all honesty why do they keep letting the same people loose?
have they not been responsible for where they are now.
every change has been one for the worse.
they need new blood not tainted by the old blood.
I thought I saw elsewhere that an Eastern States jurisdiction had raised the minimum topweight. This is what we need, and lowering the bottom weight would be a bonus. If the senior jocks (who call the shots in the JA obvioisly ...) cant ride the bottom weighted ones - tough. Someone else will.
If they were able to have an 8kg spread in every race, you'd let more animals compete with each other = bigger fields. The knock on benefits on handicapping are too numerous to mention.
Darkhorse, thefalcon likes this post.
and of course you know that the present incumbent in your fair state does exactly the opposite.