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Interview with Eddie Rigg

West Australian Racing
TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
edited August 2014 West Australian Racing
Here is the link, well worth a listen. https://www.tabtouch.com.au/tabcontent/media/racingradio/Aug_5_Eddie Rigg.mp3

A few points from the interview:

1. Everyone keeps banging on about the WATAB being the one that "funds the industry". This is misinformation. The bookies ALSO actually fund the industry via their betting tax. Lets not forget that when we get the RWWA spin that they are the only ones contributing. 

2. I was always under the impression that Ascot was leased and not owned. Its a surprise to me now that it has been owned all along. There was mention that we needed to get two tracks at one venue, which would be Belmont. Therefore the sale of Ascot could be on the cards (if I read between the lines correctly).

3. Belmont redevelopment is off. This is the first time it has been confirmed outside of rumours. There is $25 mill to spend on it, which is not enough to complete it. 

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  • youknowityouknowit    271 posts
    Eddy also made the statement that at one time bookies paid 4 mill pa in fees and charges to Perth Racing and this year they will pay nothing. My research shows that the most they received in one year was 1.5 mill, and that was when there was 30 odd bookies working and crowds of people attending. 4mill pa works out at $76923 per week! He also said there were 46 meetings at Ascot last year. Is that correct? Wes also said he would make a great politician!!
  • PandoraPandora    225 posts
    Always thought Ascot was on a 999 year peppercorn lease.

    Selling Ascot would be stupid and won't happen
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited August 2014
    Pandora said:

    Always thought Ascot was on a 999 year peppercorn lease. Selling Ascot would be stupid and won't happen

    been my understanding too...I wonder how that changed?? Wes said the sold word not Eddie, which could infer that the government sold it.....not PR
  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts

    :-?? what the facts are

    However if they own both - pour some $$ into the track and build the new flash grandstand at Ascot - a lot more chance of utilising function rooms etc than across the road from the casino.

    Develop Belmont into an A class training facility and rent boxes out - win/win for everybody - trainers get a great facility - PR get a constant income.

    Use Belmont for mid weekers - Ascot for primes
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    edited August 2014
    youknowit said:

    Eddy also made the statement that at one time bookies paid 4 mill pa in fees and charges to Perth Racing and this year they will pay nothing. My research shows that the most they received in one year was 1.5 mill, and that was when there was 30 odd bookies working and crowds of people attending. 4mill pa works out at $76923 per week! He also said there were 46 meetings at Ascot last year. Is that correct? Wes also said he would make a great politician!!

    *Edit*

    The bookies actually DO pay fees to Perth racing. It is paid to RGL, and then to RWWA who distribute back to the clubs. 
    I am told now that the distribution paid by bookies as part of the RWWA distribution is very transparent so PR would be fully aware of how much they receive from bookies.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    RIO said:


    Pandora said:

    Always thought Ascot was on a 999 year peppercorn lease. Selling Ascot would be stupid and won't happen

    been my understanding too...I wonder how that changed?? Wes said the sold word not Eddie, which could infer that the government sold it.....not PR
    RIO is WRONG....Finally got through a bit more of it and he categorically states that Perth Racing own Ascot....Amazed.....The rumor mill has had that one under wraps for years!!!!
  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    Breath of fresh air I thought sounds like they know what has to be done, just need to make the tough calls to make it happen.
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    Mmmmm..interesting!
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    i'd like to see the deeds that PR actually owns ascot...
    when did they "buy" it?
    I am sure during all the talk of the Belmont redevelopment it was mentioned a number of times that ascot was subject to a peppercorn lease arrangement.
    I am confused with the whole thing about Belmont...and indeed PR in general.... :-w

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    I think eddie articulated a way forward but people have to accept that there will be change, adapt or die I say.

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    One comment/post only, due to the fact that I go off on stupid tangents when I hear stuff banded around like this.

    It was put to all members as part of the redevelopment that selling Belmont was a good option as the government would keep supporting the efforts to develop Ascot due to the signing of a new peppercorn rent agreement for another 99 years....and now we own it????? I thought we owned all the infrastructure, but I didn't know we owned the land.

    When asked if PR Members were conned - after a long silence he said NO, if the land wasn't sold we could be sitting here owning 2 tracks in the metro area and be at the mercer of the state government in how they are run...Whilst earlier stating that they need to raise an extra 27million to upgrade Belmont and do the necessary work at Ascot.

    Does he not realise that the large majority of PR's funding comes via the government coffers anyway??? And we are going to be at the mercy of someone if we cant generate the income needed??

    Maybe the members haven't been conned, (although if the club owns the Ascot land we definitely have) but they have been fed inaccurate information - specifically to the cost of the process. I was at a meeting when these costs were challenged only to hear Ted proclaim that the person speaking was way out of his depths and had no idea about anything to do with building costs, and that PR had used the best estimators and architects to come up with an affordable plan.. Eddie wasn't even on the board at the time so I don't expect him to be bound by that....but the process that went on to get the members to agree to this deal was based on what PR wanted it to be based on. And it is appearing less and less likely it was based on facts!!!

    Maintaining Belmont as our number one Metro track is a great concept and one I look forward to being developed and celebrated for many years to come....The majority of the present committee should be ran out of town for their ineptness in how this has come about...

    End of rant.....end of comments on this thread by me...... Eddie sells well, but I have a feeling that he was being "someone's" puppet...as is that "someone's" want to do repetitively over many years!!

  • TheSwooperTheSwooper    1,718 posts
    I had a listen and am thinking, surely they could easily employ a marketing and betting expert or anyone else they need to assist them in making the right decisions (I'm sure they already do). Sounds like they are looking for excuses as to why they are having problems. I would imagine that at every board meeting there would be a finance agenda item including the bottom line. He waffles on about sports betting and calling out bets, 3g - 4g that have been identified (a few years ago) - well what are they doing about it? NSW have loyalty programs etc but WA TAB nothing. Punters are always looking for value so what are they doing to bolster that. He goes on to question what Perth Racing really stands for. Well bugger me, surely that is clearly laid out in their business model. Sold Belmont land - that's it but they got 40 million for it (no longer an asset). What a joke in terms of the redevelopment. Their forward planning is obviously crap or pie in the sky stuff. They are playing chase up. The decision to keep Belmont 'a masterstroke' - perhaps that is the only choice they were left with. After listening to the interview, I'm left with the impression that not much constructive happens at board meetings. Their forward planning is definitely lacking.

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Have to disagree with Wes harping on about a new facility down in the "Souther corridor" - sorry Wes, you know I love you.
    Missing the very important point Ed makes - position is everything !
    Wtf is going to travel down to Jandakot to attend a race meeting (v's Belmont)

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    edited August 2014
    Unless he's just referring to as a training centre (not sure as I listen on) - sorry Wes
  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    Was he not referring to a training facility at Jandakot rather than ascot tivers. His point was that research had shown that is where the horses are.
  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts

    Ascot track is leased, PR do own some land in close proximity to the track that includes the admin building.

  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts

    In real estate terms isnt having Belmont like having the worst house on the best street in relation to the casino, transport and now the new sports oval.

    they just have to very careful how they use the $25m. Maybe use  Sam Walshs [of Rio] template. Have to say am not too confident of the present commitee members.

    And what of Gloucester park, who owns that and what of its sale and contributing towards Belmont.

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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    I think Jandakot is too valuable now to "waste" on a horse training facility. Serpentine is probably the go now.
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Already one there last I checked.
    Just needs some money spent on it
  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    A training facility in Jandakot? Where? With the value of residential land wht trainer can afford to be there? Serpentine has Lark Hill and at a pinch, Mundijong track.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    edited August 2014
    From the RWWA Thoroughbred Distribution Policy Document: 

    ON-COURSE BOOKMAKERS BETTING LEVY
    The product fee payable by Bookmakers wagering on-course is rebated to Race Clubs each year.
    This amount is based on the actual amount of levy paid by bookmakers for the previous full
    financial year, ie the amount collected for fiscal year 2012-13 is paid to Clubs at the beginning of
    2014-15.

    So its pretty clear the clubs will get a direct benefit from on course bookmaker turnover and I am also POSITIVE that there are some people at PR that understand this. 
  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,009 posts
    Into It said:

    In real estate terms isnt having Belmont like having the worst house on the best street in relation to the casino, transport and now the new sports oval.

    they just have to very careful how they use the $25m. Maybe use  Sam Walshs [of Rio] template. Have to say am not too confident of the present commitee members.

    And what of Gloucester park, who owns that and what of its sale and contributing towards Belmont.




    Harness club own GP, don't see that being sold to help the gallops! They are clinging on to the notion that they will be able to run meetings, functions etc around the footy, don't think it will make much of a difference but I'd be rapt if it did.

    I agree if they don't already own the land in Jandakot then good luck! Lucky if you get change from a mil and a half for 5 acres!

    Didn't hear all of Eddie but as far as I stand ATM it's just all words. GP was sitting on a gold mine, I think the worst thing harness could do would be leave GP in terms of attracting new blood to the sport but there's still plenty of land there and a bloody big grandstand that doesn't get used, they could have redeveloped and sold some land leaving the club in a great financial position whilst still at its spiritual home but they talked and talked and talked until bang the boom is over. The WACA talked and talked and talked a development is coming a development is coming and then boom a thousand other apartments go up before they can even look at presale and shock horror they've missed the boat. The Belmont redevelopment is coming the Belmont redevelopment and then BOOM! it's not coming.

    Sorry for being a cynic, as an 18yr old I did a bit of work in a harness stable, I loved it but there was so much negativity and talk of people getting out of the sport and I got talked out of ever thinking of trying to make a career of it, I use to hate the negativity. BUT as a 30yr old basically all I have seen of my time in racing is talk and talk and talk.

    I know you have to talk to get things right but you also have to do something to get things right!

    That too is my one rant on the topic.

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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts

    As much as i love and respect history, things change. Used to ride in the bush where Hammomd Park is . Now is just a sea of roofs.

    Glosecter Park is a waste of of real estate. and i bet the likes of Eddie Riggs has the same thought. But the money would be handy.

    What of Fremantle moving to Cockburn or footy from subiaco

  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    The relationship breakdown between PR and the current government is a major problem.

    Minimal government support for all 3 codes, possible TAB sale and  a general lack of positive engagement on the future of racing can be attributed to the relationship breakdown.

    Was told Barnett was asked what racing could do to get more support.

    He replied, change the government.

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Into It said:

    A training facility in Jandakot? Where? With the value of residential land wht trainer can afford to be there? Serpentine has Lark Hill and at a pinch, Mundijong track.

    Only facility I know of in Jansakot is a small trotting training track, if it is still there....?
  • GilgameshGilgamesh    5,009 posts

    Into It said:

    A training facility in Jandakot? Where? With the value of residential land wht trainer can afford to be there? Serpentine has Lark Hill and at a pinch, Mundijong track.

    Only facility I know of in Jansakot is a small trotting training track, if it is still there....?



    Yeah still there
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts

    Into It said:

    A training facility in Jandakot? Where? With the value of residential land wht trainer can afford to be there? Serpentine has Lark Hill and at a pinch, Mundijong track.

    Only facility I know of in Jansakot is a small trotting training track, if it is still there....?
    I was referring to the Serpentine reference (Lark Hill)
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Ascot is fully owned by the club...track, buildings, carpark, admin area, kilns, etc, etc...
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    really? or is that tongue in cheek, rio old pal?
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    really? or is that tongue in cheek, rio old pal?

    nup serious....fair question falc, but it has been 100% confirmed that the club owns the whole lot of Ascot,,Shocked me and also the people who told me!!!!!
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