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Ascot Preview, 20th October

West Australian Racing
PerthTurfTalkPerthTurfTalk    3,054 posts
edited October 2018 West Australian Racing

Race 1 - Let The Carnival Begin

A wet and windy Thursday morning cannot deflate the spirits of this Western Australian racing enthusiast as the carnival is officially upon us.

There is a lot of guesswork with how a track will play on opening day, and while Ascot has a history of being very leader bias, we did have a very fair track for the 2017 opening, so I will back the ground staff and allow for a fair track.

Speaking of guesswork, the early two year old races are just that. In the opening two year old event a fortnight ago, there was not one runner under $20 in the quartet, with the Simon Miller trained Niccovi $11 to $2 on the back of a reasonable but not brilliant trial. When a horse has 7,000 owners, it tends to start slightly under the odds…

Prim And Proper was the standout run from that event and is hard to go past here. 400m trial was sharp before settling back from the wide gate on debut and running the eye catcher of the race. Should settle handier from barrier 4 and now has race experience.

Tinsnip was the small suggested bet a fortnight ago, but like many of the fancies was never in the race. After settling rearward, he never settled and Knuckey never tried to put him to sleep. Wasn’t the educational (or punting) experience anybody was after. Love the way this son of Snippetson hit the line in his trial before his debut and with Pike on from the good draw he can give this a shake.

Problematic is a Paul Jordan two year old and they always have to be respected. With a smaller budget than the likes of Simon Miller, has a brilliant record with the youngsters.

We’ve got the benefit of the Tabtouch markets being out (whoever did them completely shat the bed on a few later) and it’s hard to get too excited about Prim And Proper at the $2.20. Tinsnip at $7 and Problematic at $11 do look the value.

Think we’ll get stuck into a nice cold ale while we nestle in for the day at Ascot and watch the youngsters go round.

Selections

8 Prim And Proper
5 Tinsnip
2 Problematic

Suggested Bet: No bet.


Race 2 - Pike v Parnham

William Pike v Chris Parnham will be a battle we see countless times over the next couple of months.

True Attraction and Pagan Image look to have panels on this field and only an extreme track bias should see them not running the quinella. True Attraction won well enough on debut (at a big price for a cerise and white runner in a maiden) before having a couple of months off and running a very slick last 200m over 1200m. It was something of a concern to see him struggle to tack onto the field early, but the rise to 1500m, smaller field and less pace in this event should allow him to be within striking distance.

I am happy plumping for the race hardened Pagan Image however. The betting move and ride last time out did raise a few eyebrows, when he was a moral beaten (2.5 to 6). I don’t think Knuckey did a huge amount wrong in following Leading Girl into the event, but there probably was an opportunity or two to push out. Love the Chris Parnham appointment here and having drawn underneath the tardy True Attraction, expect to see him have a small head start on that Bob Peters gelding on straightening. Blackwood River will run them along and give some cheek.

$3.60 is the current quote, and I’ll take that every day of the week about a coin flip.

Selections

1 Pagan Image
4 True Attraction
3 Blackwood River

Suggested Bet: 60 wins Pagan Image (1).


Race 3 - Singing The Blues

I found Mississippi Delta the hardest animal to place and market all day. My initial assessment was to completely take her on. Last campaign she progressed from a Bunbury maiden victory and ended up taking out a reasonable strong staying event on at Ascot. She has never met a field of this nature and couple that with the fact she is first up at the mile while most of these are rock hard fit, makes this such an intriguing race. The one thing in her favour is that she is still relatively untapped, gets in here on the minimum and could be something special. There is no doubt this is the beginning of a Perth Cup campaign for her.

Rockon Tommy is likely to find the top here with Red Paddy potentially kicking up underneath him. Will Mississippi Delta, who without doubt will be last in running, make up the 5+ lengths required on Rockon Tommy and co to win this event? Time will tell.

Very hard to split the likes of Cappo D’Oro, Dark Prospect and Rockon Tommy. Rockon Tommy will appreciate the smaller field and likely subsequent slower tempo. Dark Prospect and Cappo D’Oro take the sits just off them and will be extremely hard to hold out. With the 59kg’s and extra weight (Brodie Kirby rode him a treat last time out, so the weight swing is telling), I am surprised Cappo D’Oro has been priced as your early favourite. Suspect it’ll be third or fourth in line by the time they jump, in a very evenly contested betting medium.

While I won’t have him in my top 3, if Ascot does play leader orientated then there are worst bets than Red Paddy at $101/19. More aggressive tactics have been employed since the change of stable, but at his last two outings he’s made a mess of the start. No doubt there will be a strong message to lead at all costs and his previous efforts when doing so were full of merit.

A race it is probably best to stay out of. Could have any of 4 on top.

Selections

4 Dark Prospect
5 Rockon Tommy
7 Mississippi Delta

Suggested Bet: No bet.


Race 4 - Berg’s Best

A race devoid of a great deal of depth with Bergio looking a standout selection. Stepped up to the 2000m two starts ago when just missing Five Degrees who got the run on the ‘hot lane’ on the inside pad on that day. Pike opted to jump ship at his next outing when Knuckey gave it absolutely none while he appeared to be travelling a dream. This race looks tailor made for him and I am confident he can turn the tables on Five Degrees who has to contend with the 35 day gap between runs, extra weight and a sticky barrier draw. Will have to lead them up here.

Young Thor and Toppa Dawozza are both racing well and from barriers 1 and 2 should be the biggest dangers to Bergio.

Happy with the $3.50 or so currently on offer for one of the better bets on the card.

Selections

4 Bergio
2 Toppa Dawozza
3 Young Thor

Suggested Bet: 100 wins Bergio (4).


Race 5 - Pipped

A race with an absolute stack of top end speed. It is interesting how these races can pan out, with the connections of natural speedsters making pre race decisions to opt out of speed battles and take a sit. This is usually detrimental to their chances as it neutralises the horses biggest strength. There was a race midweek where 4 speed horses opted to take a sit and allow Chinetti to wander across and have a soft lead. I would love to have a chat to the brains trust who come up with those tactics. Absolutely baffles me.

This should be a different story with The Nicconian, Agent Pippa, Just A Fluke, Thunderstrut and Get The Vibe all very quick early. I suspect Agent Pippa will cross and find the rail with Just A Fluke working to her outside. The Nicconian will take the sit in position A, while I’m going to put a line through Thunderstrut and Get The Vibe as I just can’t map them to win this.

Agent Pippa is on the quick back-up from a quality three year old sprint where she lead the field up and was far from embarrassed. Her previous start was in a 72+ event where she was the sandwich between Khan and Mantime in the run and was entitled to be giving up halfway down the straight. To her credit, she fought between the two of them and the only one to beat her home was the perfectly ridden How To Fly. She beat home Salorsci and Lockroy in the process. This race is a stack easier than that event, and while the speed map looks sticky she has shown she is tough.

Masquerade is clearly the one who will relish the top end speed in this. Was a nice effort fresh when second to Electric Light, but despite a little mid race blunder, was aided by a perfect ground saving William Pike ride. Has not drawn wider than three at his last six starts (he has drawn barrier one at his last three starts) and carries a career high weight here, so there are some definite question marks over a horse who’s record probably embellishes his quality.

Night Voyage is comfortably going better than any horse in this race, though from barrier 10 with the young apprentice on, there is a high probability he sits wide in a race they are likely to fly along in.

Agent Pippa is currently around the $5 mark and I am happy being on board.

Selections

3 Agent Pippa
2 Masquerade
1 Night Voyage

Suggested Bet: 80 wins Agent Pippa (3).


Race 6 - James Crawford

The race named after the ex Perth Wildcats power forward, is the first lead-up to the Viddora v Enticing Star show (also known as the Winterbottom).

State Solicitor is the somewhat forgotten horse of Perth racing. 9 victories from 14 career starts with two of those losses coming in Winterbottom Stakes (one of those he arguably wins with a bit more luck in transit). He is the real deal. Recent trial didn’t fill me with a huge amount of confidence, though he hails from a very astute stable who wouldn’t have been aiming him at a Belmont trial.

The peoples horse, Dainty Tess boasts a group victory over Viddora last campaign and will vie for favouritism with State Solicitor. Resumes without a trial and again will be aimed at a Winterbottom assault. Could hold State Solicitor’s back in the run, though may also be 2 lengths off him on straightening which could be a task too great.

Super Maxi is the Gangemi runner who looks most suited here and will be afforded a pretty soft lead over his preferred 1000m. Won and was placed in a couple of pretty ordinary looking listed races last campaign, but his ability to jump, rail and run will suit Ascot down to the ground. He is one who could go to another level.

Durendal is a group one placegetter and should get the run of the race on his stablemates back. Unfortunately he is from the same stock as Tom Melbourne, Sigil and more famously Street Bandit who just love coming second.

Not a race I see as an attractive betting medium, but should be a cracker to watch.

Selections

1 State Solicitor
3 Dainty Tess
2 Super Maxi

Suggested Bet: No bet.


Race 7 - Happiness

Just looking at this field makes me happy. I don’t want this race to run, because then it’ll be over.

I’m wary of spruiking gallopers making big steps up in class, but it is impossible to go past the lightly weighted Galaxy Star here. Recent trials suggest he may have gone to another level and also showed a propensity to be a little sharper out of the barriers, which is a necessity when racing against this type of opposition. The genius who did the Tabtouch markets lobbed up $3.40. A quote which very obviously did not last long. From barrier 3, it’ll be interesting to see if Pike can go with them early and perhaps settle in the first 6. He doesn’t want to be giving Great Shot and Man Booker too much of a head start despite the weight difference.

Man Booker has come back like the horse of old. Carried weight against some moderate opposition in the Idyllic and Farnley Stakes, but ran two absolute bolters. There appears a lack of speed in this event outside of Great Shot, so I would expect Paul Harvey to ride him aggressively early to sit on that gallopers outside. If we wind the clock back to early 2017, Man Booker beat Great Shot on three consecutive occasions - he is up to these at his best. Great Shot has clearly gone to another level since then, but is also paying for it with the extra kilo’s on his back.

Perfect Jewel is the big watch horse here. Only an 85 rater so they will be desperate to win this or perhaps the Asian Beau to qualify for the Railway Stakes.

Unfortunately the $3.40 is long gone for Galaxy Star, but anywhere upwards of $2 is good enough shopping.

Selections

9 Galaxy Star
1 Great Shot
2 Man Booker

Suggested Bet: 80 wins Galaxy Star (9).


Race 8 - Parnhams Pick

Chris Parnham has opted to ride Jeraft for his father, over Patrocity in a strong pointer to this gallopers chances. Did not come back at all last campaign, before a pretty ordinary trial suggested he may not have come back again. Those doubts were put to rest when he was a good thing beaten first up. Chris Parnham has ridden this son of Hala Bek 5 times for 3 wins and he arguably should have won the other two. This does look to be a sticky capacity field with a three wide line a certainty and four and five wide runs very likely. From barrier 6, he should be able to find a nice spot just off the speed, but he may be forced to make an early move to avoid the oncoming stampede.

Patrocity’s last effort has not got the credit it deserved. Effectively raced without cover throughout when pushing Arcadia Prince right to the line. Has gone to another level this campaign so I would take no notice of his poor Ascot record. Is jumping extremely well, so I would expect Joey Azzopardi to look for a spot near the speed with the likes of Greco coming across to hopefully give him cover.

Freo and Just Like Fire will be the ones coming late, while Bold Success is always a chance in a race like this. He might be close to his mark now though - Pike has got the best out of him.

I’ll be throwing Greco in my quaddie after he was snagged back to last at his most recent outing. If first emergency Forseen doesn’t get a run, he should take up the running here and when doing so is a completely different animal. An all the way victory against Atlanta Blue 4 months ago (who would start close to favourite here) is testament to that. There are worse $50 pops.

That being said, I am very keen on Jeraft to take us into the Stone Motherless bar a winner.

Selections

8 Jeraft
13 Patrocity
15 Greco

Suggested Bet: 100 wins Jeraft (8).
  

Comments

  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Galaxy Star at 1.90 is rock bottom now. I know it sgood but its up against some quality now.

    I would love to see Harvey and Man Booker combine to get a win.
  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Boy Hill not at all happy with Jerry Noske not riding Man Booker. Doesnt mix his words during their @Fromthejockeysmouth podcast.

    Love to know what to go was there

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  • GLAMOURGLAMOUR    872 posts
    Couldnt work that out myself,considering its just cone back as Pike was on 1st 2 starts back,Noske has been overseas,but now with Pike committed to we all know who,why isnt Jerry Noske back on?bit low as she knows the horse well,and has ridden it great.
  • keymeupkeymeup    185 posts
    If red paddy can jump and lead I give it a huge chance at massive odds
  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    Here it is; The Other Ascot 20/10/18 Review.

    I am still recovering from going wide in last weeks quad and having a bit of 2nd 3rd and 4th in the resultant 4th leg; left out Miracle Man who was obviously stung by a bee in his first up run and i paid for that plenty!

    Anyway tomorrow is another day.

    R/1 Here is an another open early 2yo race. I will watch and be amazed if the LL trained fave actually salutes. When did that last happen?

    R/2 I looked at the top weight and thought here is the go with CP on tomorrow. But that price did not seem right.
    Then the PH mount by Blackfriars too was a slogging run first up and is v short!
    So I have tumbled in to True Attraction. He does not seem to get warm until the last 300m and the step up in distance puts me off. But WP riding and maybe this might make up for the disasterous Peters results last week!

    R/3 I just cannot go past Cappo D'oro. I think he is v v underrated and the jockey change is just super! He is a beautiful horse and of course the  champ trainer is overdue.

    R/4 Why can't the Five Degrees just jump and run again? I am tired of supporting Bergio!

    R/5 This is one of those raffle 1000 m races; one check and you are gone!
    Masquerade seemed quite unlucky last start behind the amazing Electric mare; so I will plonk for him with WP making his luck. But the top weight is going so well (as is the stable).
    There good argumwnts for Thunderstrut and The Nicconian too.

    R/6 The fave has never won over 1000m.
    Therefore I am going Gangemi with Suoer Maxi and Lock roy. The latter broke 33sec for his last sectional for his first up win and Donga has one of those first ride chances! I forgive him him his 2nd up.
    I believe SM will lead and will be hard to run down.
    Dainty Tess has never won over 1000m I believe.
    And.. what are they doing with Caipirniha?

    R/7 Here there seem only 2 chances with Man Booker the logical winner to me.
    But there will be plenty on Galaxy Star.
    I agree about a close watch on Perfect Jewel.

    R/8 I too cannot go past the horse with the long neck Jeraft; seemed v unlucky last time.
    Of course I have to put in AKOP but I cannot understand the reasoning behind the new rider.
    Patrocity and Ragazzo D'oro have drawn wide, which worries me.

    I have already invested in my thoughts; so I f you are on different horses at least somebody wins!
    All the Best.

  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    Havent read all of the above so not sure if its been covered but this is the worst opening day at ascot i have seen in 18 years. Usually 9 races with decent fields.
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,435 posts
    edited October 2018
    paraletic said:

     this is the worst opening day at ascot i have seen in 18 years. 

    Spot on Para. In recent months my interest in local racing is matched only by Malcolm Turncoat er Turnbull's loyalty to the Liberal Party .... Effin traitor. He should go down in history as the only Labor leader of the Liberal Party. Never rated him and never voted for him. 

    Suffice to say that says a lot for where I stand regarding local races and believe me I want to be more enthused.
  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    SG, a snake oil salesman or carpetbagger is not going to be trustworthy!
    But on the other topic, I didnt think the Ascot fields were too bad.
    However if I end up a big loser I will probably agree with you!
  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    R/2 There is a move for Saetta; I did put her in one of my all ups.
  • pikerpiker    404 posts

    paraletic said:

     this is the worst opening day at ascot i have seen in 18 years. 

    Spot on Para. In recent months my interest in local racing is matched only by Malcolm Turncoat er Turnbull's loyalty to the Liberal Party .... Effin traitor. He should go down in history as the only Labor leader of the Liberal Party. Never rated him and never voted for him. 

    Suffice to say that says a lot for where I stand regarding local races and believe me I want to be more enthused.
    And an acronym TOOTSIE comes to mind; totally out of touch self indulgent egotist.
  • spinkingspinking    3,998 posts
    Piker might have to reassess your D Tess form mate
  • khasskhass    2 posts
    Yes only won 7 I think ????????
  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Have i stumbled into a Tories cry-wank forum

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  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    Oops, Dainty Tess has won 7 at 1000m and one at wfa!
    As for that other topic I reckon not many politicians of any colour are Statesmen; thinking of us peasants and the future of this country. There are more TOOTSIES in Canberra than sheep!
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    edited October 2018
    FAT fukn win off a hatchet job ride Five Degrees!! \:D/

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts

    paraletic said:

     this is the worst opening day at ascot i have seen in 18 years. 

    Spot on Para. In recent months my interest in local racing is matched only by Malcolm Turncoat er Turnbull's loyalty to the Liberal Party .... Effin traitor. He should go down in history as the only Labor leader of the Liberal Party. Never rated him and never voted for him. 

    Suffice to say that says a lot for where I stand regarding local races and believe me I want to be more enthused.
    is this a racing site or someplace else where dimwits spout irrelevant nonsense?
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    Dainty Tess can reach a million dollars in prizemoney if she can win fresh today. For the five year old mare that's no mean feat.
  • chocchoc    789 posts
    edited October 2018
    God bless Dainty Tess <:-P

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  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts

    Dainty Tess can reach a million dollars in prizemoney if she can win fresh today. For the five year old mare that's no mean feat.




    And WIN she does!! Unsuited in the small field but swamps them late.#Whatarippermare

    SS Where to now? Is starting to underwhelm his potential or overrated?

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited October 2018
    Well done Tessie girl!!
    Burnt off her feet early, then travelled well, then nope - think she's just battling and too far back anyway, then whooooosh.
    She now has to be right up in the Burgess Queen/Belindas Star class.
    A cool million$ in the bank.
  • RodentRodent    7,457 posts
    McGruddy should have yelled out to S O'Donnell who then would have given him room in the interests of safety.....you know, like Kokotajlo made room for Pateman in the Idyllic Prince  ;)

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    She's only little too Thunder...you'd give her a good paddock at the end of her career ( like all horses deserve )...I'd be turning up with a sugar cube and a fresh bag of fruit everyday...whatever she likes!
  • RodentRodent    7,457 posts

    She's only little too Thunder...you'd give her a good paddock at the end of her career ( like all horses deserve )...I'd be turning up with a sugar cube and a fresh bag of fruit everyday...whatever she likes!

    She'll be making foals when she retires.
  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited October 2018
    And in that case she can have any "stud" she wants.
    Her two best wins think were today and the victory in Adelaide that was outstanding too.

    The other mare the unfancied 25/1 chance Celelebrity Dream she was the one back with Tess and really travelling. Those classy horses often run well fresh.
    Amazing how many punters I've met along journey don't like them first up.
  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,969 posts
    Strong win by Man Booker. I thought Great Shot would finish the race a bit stronger.
  • ThunderstruckThunderstruck    7,696 posts
    Had 59.5... unlikely.

    Those querying why P Harvey steered the winner today, y'all just got your answer :D

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  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    carey said:

    paraletic said:

     this is the worst opening day at ascot i have seen in 18 years. 

    Spot on Para. In recent months my interest in local racing is matched only by Malcolm Turncoat er Turnbull's loyalty to the Liberal Party .... Effin traitor. He should go down in history as the only Labor leader of the Liberal Party. Never rated him and never voted for him. 

    Suffice to say that says a lot for where I stand regarding local races and believe me I want to be more enthused.
    is this a racing site or someplace else where dimwits spout irrelevant nonsense?
    I'm one of the dimwits spouting nonsense.
    Just look at my original analysis of Dainty Tess amongst other statements.
    But at least I tipped Man Booker!

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    edited October 2018
    Don't worry Piker..when read Dainty Tess hadn't won over 1000 metres...the cereal bowl fell to the floor haha...then when had a look at her record helped me to have a few bananas on her. At least one collect on a dreary punting day.
  • pikerpiker    404 posts
    ROTS I am truly happy to hear that.
    I did listen though and put her DT in my quad. I have a few going in the last but not the fave.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,930 posts
    That was vintage Paul Harvey too. He rated & lifted!!

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