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Karrakatta/Oaks/Derby

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  • udontknowudontknow    570 posts
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  • udontknowudontknow    570 posts
    udontknow said:

    udontknow said:


    K- VALOUR ROAD
    O- FRIAR FOX
    D- ACTION




    Anyone else willing to put up their 3 selections?




    Big go on Valour Road. Any news?



    Bcos it was going to win
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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    another on pace dominated Karrakatta, that's 3 of the past 4 that have lead at the turn and skipped away to win

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    DamienWyer said:

    I suspect that this race will have to be looked from a historical perspective. I don't see a dominant two year old going into this race, it's quite open, and more so than usual it's a case of having your young horse ready rather than the announcement of the next superstar. It's highly likely that the winner will come from a local sired source , much will be made of this and if it does pan out that way it will be beneficial to the local breeding industry. The thing for me is that the winning horse needs to go forward from this race, forward into a three year old year and beyond.




    Frost Giant
    Universal Ruler
    Playing God
    Universal Ruler
    Patronize
    Playing God
    ...... More Than Ready

    Fair result for the locals
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    Only four previous starts total from the first three across the line. So definitely a case of having the horse timed to the day rather than any great depth of race experience. Valour Road after two runs looks to have a bright future, as yesterday's win looked quite soft and well within his capabilities. The two that chased him home will probably win the odd Saturday race as they get older but outside of these three the race looked more like a Listed at best and not a Group 2 field.

    From a breeding perspective, it's a pity that the winners Sire no longer stands in WA to capitolise on the win. It does allow Frost Giant to skip past Demerit on the table of 2YO Stallions in stakes money this season.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Swap the gates the second horse wins
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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    Why didnt Frost Giant come back?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    paraletic said:

    Why didnt Frost Giant come back?

    I don't know the exact reason, perhaps there was an offer elsewhere that made more commercial sense. However, he only got 73 mares the first year, many of those would have been from off the Stud itself, and in his second season he only served 59 including those that had missed or failed to produce a live foal and took another shot at it. Those numbers wouldn't sustain too many Stallions even if he was owned outright by a Stud.
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  • spinkingspinking    4,001 posts

    What was his service fee?

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    who owns him?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    spinking said:

    What was his service fee?

    $9,900
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    thefalcon said:

    who owns him?

    Grant Burns would be the person who would know
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    DamienWyer said:

    spinking said:

    What was his service fee?

    $9,900
    Thinking about it, this is probably why most Stallions are not sustainable in WA. We as a rule, tend to wait for the fourth or fifth season to really strongly support a Stallion for either the commercial success it is bringing, or more commonly the race success his stock are collecting. This year's Magic Millions sale was a little unusual in that a lot of unproven Stallions were well supported along with proven bull's such as Blackfriars and Oratorio. With the former now gone, and the sire of this year's feature race winner unavailable, it will be interesting to see what sales crops dominate if any do at all.

    I don't think Oratorio can sustain the top position as his numbers have fallen into the low 50's and with a fertility rate of around 75% he won't get enough into the sales ring based on those numbers to produce an overall top grossing sales result. Blackfriars will get support as most deceased Stallions do, but that will be fleeting. Most likely the best sales results will come from stock such as Safeguard (based on commercial acceptance), Playing God (commercial and racetrack success) and Demerit (returning to the market after missing a year at stud).
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Have a guess who has the highest wins to runs strike rate of all of them ?
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    Tivers said:

    Have a guess who has the highest wins to runs strike rate of all of them ?

    How many guesses can I have ?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Universal Ruler 12.4% of times a UR horse
    starts a race, it wins    .

    Frost Giant - 12.1% (Interesting that the Karra placegetters #'s 1&2)

    Demerit - 12.0%

    Blackfriars – 10.8%

    Dash For Cash – 10.1%

    Snippetson – 10.3%

    War Chant – 10.6%

    Oratorio – 11.3%

    Trade Fair – 10.7%


    Of those I looked up anyway..............

    A few big names from East

    Stratum – 12.3%

    Sebring – 12.2%

    Choisir – 11.4%

    Snitzel – 15.3%

    Fastnet Rock – 13.6%

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,990 posts
    At $25M plus, Snitzel stock are not only winning races but winning the biggest time and time again. He actually has stock that have earned this season more than double what second place stock on the sires table (I Am Invincible) has done.

    Your boy has done very well but it gets tough from here as his numbers dwindled at stud in recent years. You need to cover more mares in other words.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Opposite actually..............next two crops coming through (current 2yo's and Yearlings) are his biggest, and third biggest crops of all.
    Will need them to carry through when 2017's lack of covers takes affect (in say 2021), yes.

    And for the sake of half a length, after copping gate 14 - the whole thread would be about him, not Frost Giant. That's how fine an edge horse racing / breeding is.

    I've always said how tough it is, when say you have two colts racing in a G1, one draws 3, the other draws 16..........the 16 comes flying but then gets blocked for a run again.........goes down to the 3 by a lip.
    Outcome - the 3 is worth millions, the 16 is worthless (bit dramatic outcome there, but you get the point). Is the 3 that much better (genetically) and worth all that much more ? No, but what do people remember - he won.

    Snitzel is a freak.
    But again - he covers what mares ? (ie I'd suggest he was covering better mares than I Am Invincible early days).
    In saying that............. I Am Invincible's % - 17.6 !!!

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    edited April 2018
    Truth be told and even though he was an exceptional 2yo i didnt think UR could get 2yo's. this year with four in the big race my opinion has changed. Adds a further string to his bow imo and only posative signs for the future. No reason why he cant get more good mares.

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  • udontknowudontknow    570 posts
    ACTION OOOHHHH YEEAAHHH
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Did I hear Money Maher was going to the Adelaide Derby?

    That is certainly ambitious given the run last Saturday. Good luck to them
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