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CB Cox Stakes Saturday

West Australian Racing
TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
edited December 2017 West Australian Racing
Gee we've got some issues: 

1 POUNAMU 6G 59 4 PATRICK CARBERY ALAN MATHEWS
2 MATERIAL MAN 6G 59 5 LUCY WARWICK JUSTIN WARWICK
3 ZARANTZ 7G 59 8 CHRIS PARNHAM ADAM DURRANT
4 DARK MUSKET 6G 59 2 CLINT JOHNSTON‐PORTER GRAEME BALLANTYNE
5 SUNSET SUPERMAN 7G 59 1 DANIEL STAECK BRETT POPE
6 TRAP FOR FOOLS 4G 58 6 ALAN KENNEDY LINDSEY SMITH
7 COSMIC STORM 6M 57 3 GRANT & ALANA WILLIAMS
8 SHINTA MANI 6M 57 7 JASON WHITING SHARON MILLER
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Zarantz, Dark Musket, Trap for Fools and Shinta Mani all going round on Wednesday aswell. 
    Van Heemst could drop off even further. 

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    It was around 1999 - 2001 races such as the Towton Cup, Tattersalls Cup and Perth Cup were actually increased in field size to accomodate 18 runners...plus emergencies.

    A decade and a half ago horses were in competition to gain a Perth Cup start, now it's more a case of will there be a third dividend ?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    some would hope the Van Heemst falls off the programme completely. Maybe its getting its kama.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    Take Pounamu and Material Man out and what's left ? Even Sunset Superman might be a hope. b-(

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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    I wish i hadnt seen this.  :-&

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  • jumjum    3,582 posts

    Zarantz now with Adam Durrant   :-O  :-O

    Wowee this horse has seen a variety of Stables 

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  • hashhash    7,495 posts
    If he can’t get him to win then no one can
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Zarantz will win the Perth cup
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  • paraleticparaletic    3,750 posts
    jum said:

    Zarantz now with Adam Durrant   :-O  :-O

    Wowee this horse has seen a variety of Stables 

    Maybe the horse responds to being in a different environment...... Every 3 weeks........ 

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    The Perth Cup is a trap for fools b-( ...the two favourites Pounamu and Material Man who like a lot, were 25/1 and 40/1 respectively at their last start...that was the time to be on those two guys.
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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    If and it's a 66/1 if...but if Dark Musket can get back to the type of form two years ago when placed in a Kingston Town and a terrific fourth in the Perth Cup behind Delicacy he will pick this lot up and carry them!

    However if he's not back to that form..they will carry him..and still beat him home!

    His last two runs much improved, another good run and will come into 20/1.

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  • GLAMOURGLAMOUR    877 posts
    That doesnt look good,where are all the up and coming stayers?
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Zarantz been with durrant last two starts...
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  • licklick    367 posts
    Note to self: Buy a five year old that is just not quite up to Group 2 or 3 Autumn races in the eastern states - give to Puffer or Adam or similar to aim for the feature races POST the Masters. Any one interested in forming a syndicate to say $50,000. 

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    When you look at it...what you need is a Pounamu - Material Man type...both excellent in the 1600 metre Railway Stakes ( 5th and 6th ) then run 1,2 at weight for age in 1800 metre Kingston Town, now second and third favourites for a 2400 metre Perth Cup. That's versatile!

    Also proves if your more than handy their is stakemoney to be won on your home ground.
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    edited December 2017
    lick said:

    Note to self: Buy a five year old that is just not quite up to Group 2 or 3 Autumn races in the eastern states - give to Puffer or Adam or similar to aim for the feature races POST the Masters. Any one interested in forming a syndicate to say $50,000. 




    Get something that can win a broome cup, enjoy the round and then 3rd or 4th up into the PCup off a short break

    #thedream

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  • therealkramertherealkramer    8,008 posts
    thefalcon said:

    some would hope the Van Heemst falls off the programme completely. Maybe its getting its kama.


    When does Luckygray get a race named in his honour? 8-> :!!

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    > lick > Note to self: Buy a five year old that is just not quite up to Group 2 or 3 Autumn races in the eastern states - give to Puffer or Adam or similar to aim for the feature races POST the Masters. Any one interested in forming a syndicate to say $50,000. 

    Name me one tried horse to come West to one of the trainers who work in heavy sand, ie: Durrant, Williams, etc, and win a good staying race over here.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    lets hope the van heemst (note no capitals) gets scrapped with lack of starters... =))

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    lick said:

    Note to self: Buy a five year old that is just not quite up to Group 2 or 3 Autumn races in the eastern states - give to Puffer or Adam or similar to aim for the feature races POST the Masters. Any one interested in forming a syndicate to say $50,000. 




    Do you honestly think that you could pick up that sort of horse for $50K?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    absolutely...if you had the right agent...and knew your stuff...
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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    The race you can still call it by its traditional true name - the C.B. Cox Stakes. Call it that all the time. Always will. Hell I still call Geelongs home ground Kardinia Park.

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    edited December 2017
    Article from The Australian by Tom Percy from 2012

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/how-perth-cup-lost-its-way/news-story/34800b91d7ad04ec24677f01e5d2426e

    Harness Racing may not be at the pinnacle it once was but by comparison, it's flying high comparedto the gallops. With Lazarus staying over for the Fremantle and Pacing Cups, it may well put the Perth Cup into a very poor reflection of what it once was. Very sad situation....a race I always attended or conducted the New Years Day sweep at home but its hard to get excited enough to even have a bet or listen too.

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    Quote taken from The Age newspaper May 13th 2008 from Perth Racing Chief Executive regarding the reduction in distance of the Perth Cup.

    'If we didn't do something to try and attract a better class of horse for the race it will soon be a Group 3 and drop right off the radar.'

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    Ridersonthestorm33 said:

    Quote taken from The Age newspaper May 13th 2008 from Perth Racing Chief Executive regarding the reduction in distance of the Perth Cup.

    'If we didn't do something to try and attract a better class of horse for the race it will soon be a Group 3 and drop right off the radar.'

    yes, but that was before mr malpass started waving his magic wand

    last year's was a true group 2 with one wave only!

    he might have to wave it twice this year; but never mind, he will manage it for sure.
    in all my time following racing, i have never known anybody so deft at turning fouth and fith rate races into true high quality stakes races.
    you can read all about it in the appropriate monthly calendar(september i think)

    the cox stakes this saturday, will probably need 3 waves of his wand, but never fear, it will be a true group 2 at some stage.

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  • jumjum    3,582 posts
    The_Bull said:

    > lick > Note to self: Buy a five year old that is just not quite up to Group 2 or 3 Autumn races in the eastern states - give to Puffer or Adam or similar to aim for the feature races POST the Masters. Any one interested in forming a syndicate to say $50,000. 
    Name me one tried horse to come West to one of the trainers who work in heavy sand, ie: Durrant, Williams, etc, and win a good staying race over here.



    Lopov, Won a Kalgoorlie cup for Durrant.

    Lottila Bay went pretty handy too

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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    Good old grey Lottila Bay won the Perth Cup for Alan Mathews and Pat Carbery as a ten year old. Not sure if he's still going, but he was with us at the end of last year at the good age of 26!

    Mathews - Carbery - Pounamu this Cup. This fellow also happens to be a grey. The stars are aligning.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Pounamu might be one yet... must be a query at the perth cup trip though? 
    I guess we'll find out Saturday if it can stay. 
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  • Ridersonthestorm33Ridersonthestorm33    10,950 posts
    edited December 2017
    Just had another look at his Railway Stakes run...15th on the corner flashing home to run 6th beaten under two lengths...was the run of the race in the Railway...weight for age put punters off in the KT but outside of a 'tired' Black Heart Bart who were the genuine weight for age horses ?

    Gees the 20/1 - 25/1 with that wonderful thing called hindsight was a remarkable price.

    However the distance remains a little query with me too. If he gets over the top of them Saturday will come into a clear cut favourite.
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    I still think Trap for Fools will go round in one and not the other (ATA or Van Heemst). 
    I just reckon LIndsey will make up his mind tomorrow morning. 
    Can anyone see him going around in both? 
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