$35 enrty tues/no free entry opening day.

Legless · November 2013

the falcon said:
bl, those big punters who elect not to go
on the "boozy days" would no doubt have credit, "on the nod" facilities
with on course bookies accessable by phone. plus would have an account
with the tab so i don't think would be much lost revenue to pr.

Maybe a misunderstanding. This thread is about the $35 entry fee on the "big days".
the falcon posted the above and you responded with

Theodor said:
Unfortunately there is a big loss to PR. You bet on course with the tab (whether via tote, phone or internet) we get 17 %. You bet off course we get 6%. This is because there no state tax applied on course. So by betting off course the whole industry loses.

Surely the amount spent on the "big days" on course by the once a year visitors compensates for the loss suffered by the regs taking the day off?

Gilgamesh · November 2013

bookielover said:
GILGAMESH: The once or twice a year bogans, about 19500 of them, do not provide real revenue to Perth racing. It is the regular punters having 100's and thousands on through the on course bookies and particularly the on course totes from which PR receive a much larger commission than they do off the off course tote, that really suffer on days like this. Many big punters won't go on these days, because they get hit from pillar to post, they can't get to a tote window, and they find it difficult to get to a bookie. So they stay home and bet through the Corps, or Betfair, or the off course tote. In order to get your regulars who keep the on course business going, the least PR should do is give them free tickets to these meetings.

The club would lose nothing by charging the rest $50.00. They will still come and pay the extra $15.00, but if some don't, all that will do is make it a far more comfortable atmosphere and experience for those who do go.

Yep I can completely understand that argument. My point though is there are fewer and fewer people who would fit into the regular punter tag (not so much big punter). I know there is a heavy party vibe about those who go on the day but trust me some do actually enjoy the races. When we have these big crowds it is a chance to try and get at least some to come back a couple of times through the season.

Even if they through in a 5 dollar betting voucher with your entry, some jo blow might have a win amd fall in love with racing. Just think we need to do everything we can on the few times a year the public interest in racing is spiked to get people leaving the course with the feeling like they got something from the day.

darkshines · November 2013

Theodor said:
Unfortunately there is a big loss to PR. You bet on course with the tab (whether via tote, phone or internet) we get 17 %. You bet off course we get 6%. This is because there no state tax applied on course. So by betting off course the whole industry loses.

Exactly why PR should focus on enticing repeat customers on course to punt, not party planning for bogans in white shoes twice a year.

thefalcon · November 2013

don't forget tentland and those catered marques. with some tickets over 300 bucks there must be a nice little earner there.

why anybody would pay 300 bucks is beyond me.

even those A-lister balls are nowhere near that price plus you get top notch food and beverage at the balls..and don't get a smack in the gob for a sidewise glance.

thefalcon · November 2013

they were handing out double...2 person free passes for tuesday at the exit gates today....

rather odd...

theduke · November 2013

On course tote generates 17% for Clubs but Clubs do not receive a direct dividend correlating to off-course turnover. This method ceased a number of years ago for all codes.

The amount PR receives from RWWA is via a Distribution Model, part of this income comprises a venue fee to conduct the race meetings.

The amount provided by RWWA from the DM is at their total discretion and is reviewed each year.

Pandora · November 2013

the duke said:

On course tote generates 17% for Clubs but Clubs do not receive a direct dividend correlating to off-course turnover. This method ceased a number of years ago for all codes.
The amount PR receives from RWWA is via a Distribution Model, part of this income comprises a venue fee to conduct the race meetings.
The amount provided by RWWA from the DM is at their total discretion and is reviewed each year.

Funny, don't even have to say anything.

the lack of knowledge of how RWWA works by those that should is frightening.

thefalcon · November 2013

its like some eastern european secret police.

DamienWyer · November 2013

Well I can ask if you like as I am at the 150th Anniversary Ball at Northam and CEO of RWWA is at my table. Lol

Legless · November 2013

Damien Wyer said:
Well I can ask if you like as I am at the 150th Anniversary Ball at Northam and CEO of RWWA is at my table. Lol

ask DW ask ;)

RIO · November 2013

hahaha...well i think he said he wanted to talk to you...enjoy the night Damo..

thefalcon · November 2013

put that bloody contraption away, damien and enjoy the night

its so RUDE to fiddle on those bloody things at a social event.

>:P

RIO · November 2013

Are you up there to Falc???? Or do you just know that Damo plays with it a lot..

Oh hang on you meant his phone.....
=)) =)) =))

bookielover · November 2013

Can someone at Perth racing, perhaps Theodore, please explain to me the thinking, if there was any, behind starting the races at Ascot at 3.50 p.m. Melbourne time.

Seven races had been run and won in Melbourne by that time with race 7 being held at 3.45.

Theodore confirmed in one his posts that the cop by the race club from the money wagered through the on-course tote, is 17% as against 6% from the money wagered off course.

If the Board was genuinely concerned about getting as much money bet through the on-course tote as possible, why wouldn't you start the races at Ascot an hour earlier and finish at say 4.30 instead of 5.27.

This would achieve four things.

Firstly, punters wanting to bet on Ascot would have to get there at around 11.30 to bet on the first. They have to be at the track at Flemington by 11.00 am on Derby day and 10.00 a.m on Cup day if they want to bet on the first there, so it's not an unreasonable time, taking into account the importance of the meetings.

Secondly, I don't know what the charge to get in on Saturday was, but why not halve it for anyone who walks through the gate by 11.30.

And thirdly, there would have been a lot more punters there to bet through the tote, and I'm deliberately not not talking about bookie turnover, because it's the tote where the big cop for the club comes from, and I have no doubt, that whatever the final commission figure was, it may well have been double or more, because instead of say 500 punters getting there early to bet on Flemington, there may have been 2000.

Fourthly, what's wrong with going home after the last at 4.30 instead of 5.27?

If you are a family man, it gives you more time with the family, a young person, it gives you more time to go home have some dinner and go out on the town, and if you are an elderly person like me, it means you can be in bed by 5.00 P.M.

I-) I-)

I'm not suggesting this for all meetings held at Ascot during the Eastern States daylight Saving period, only for the Flemington carnival.

Then again, why not start a bit earlier, especially when it's 40 degrees in the shade, to give everyone a chance, punters, bookies, jockeys, trainers horses etc, to get home at a reasonable hour and cool off.

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

@bookielover - think you'll find Perth Racing have very little input into the timing of their races - Sky Channel schedule all races around the country and they don''t want another prime meeting at the same time as others (VIC, NSW, QLD, SA)

It also allows Perth Racing to get the quaddie legs onto Sky World which gives them a much bigger audience and much more extensive coverage.

I'd have no issue with the first race in WA being 11am - midday (Perth time), but think it would make prime races about 7 minutes apart at best.

bookielover · November 2013

I understand completely LL that currently Sky DO dictate race times, but I think I heard that it was going to change.

However, whether it does or not, I'm only talking about 3 meetings, DD, MCD, and Emirates day to start with, and if successful, they could reassess for the other meetings.

If the the last race in Perth was at 4.30, that is 7.30 Eastern States time. The quaddie first leg assuming 40 minutes between races, would probably be on at around 5.30 Melbourne time. That's after the last race on each of those three days. The last on Cup day is at 5.15 Melbourne time, giving punters 15 minutes to take a quaddie if they have done their money on the Eastern States racing. So I can't see the how that would greatly affect the televising on Sky World etc.

I'm sure that it would increase on-course turnover for the club, but I understand your point how it would affect the other 4 earlier races. Mind you, if they can have 2 minutes between dog races and 5 minutes between trot races, 7 minutes seems like an eternity.

:))

DamienWyer · November 2013

Great night out at Northam last night. We were made to feel like royalty with my film being shown first up to around 150 guests, the champagne flutes on the tables were engraved for the evening and were a gift to all guests, and the book launch was autographed by the author in a complementary copy for us.

Entertainment was loads of laughs and I think everyone had a lovely night with not too much pretense.

I did have a chat for more than 30 mins with Richard Burt, but I will keep the details of the conversation to myself, but suffice to say it was a frank exchange of what is and isn't happening, and what pro-active ideas may work going forward.

Thanks to Tony Marwick as a most gracious host, and to Nicole Bell and her staff moving mountains to make the night happen.

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

Not sure an exact figure, but looked to be around 8,000 people on track, busy but not too crowded.

Temperature was perfect for a day out.

The racing locally was hard to find many winners - with very even midweek racing form.

Think PR would be very happy with the turnout - especially if 3/4's paid the admission price.

DamienWyer · November 2013

LuckyLongshots said:
Not sure an exact figure, but looked to be around 8,000 people on track, busy but not too crowded.

Temperature was perfect for a day out.

The racing locally was hard to find many winners - with very even midweek racing form.

Think PR would be very happy with the turnout - especially if 3/4's paid the admission price.

Your numbers must be way out. Perth Racing in years gone past got 23,000 on Melbourne Cup Day, being the second highest attended day of the year. With the decline in Railway Stakes Day attendances, I would have thought Melbourne Cup Day would have become number one.

So anything less than 15,000 would be a disaster. But 20,000 would have been the target.

I stayed away as it was just another working/school day for me and my Son, with Tennis training following in the afternoon.

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

If there were more than 10,000 I'd be surprised. But was pretty easy to walk around, I've been to SS's and MC's (at Ascot) before and it wasn't in that range of crowd numbers.

It was very busy, but not like a 15-20k crowd.

But when there is a 30-40 minute wait in the members area for a bucket of wedges, you know someone is busy or someone isn't doing their job!

thefalcon · November 2013

under 10k would have been disappointing.

maybe theodore could pop his head above the trenches and give us a number.

by the way, you were going to advise golden rivers contribution to their naming of the perth cup..

:-w

tony · November 2013

The West said 19,000. Do not know if this was official or not.

thefalcon · November 2013

only thing you can believe in the west is the date and the price... :))

LuckyLongshots · November 2013

tony said:
The West said 19,000. Do not know if this was official or not.

C'mon @Theodor, let us in on the official number - because if that is the official number, Super Saturday will have 35,000 attending, and Perth Cup day will have 25-30,000, because the place was at 70-75% capacity yesterday at best!

Getting a feed was a fairly decent wait (20-30mins for burgers, 30-40mins for pizza), getting a drink was easy and getting a bet on was fairly easy (except for the one day a year punters getting in the way)

If PR got that number yesterday, they'd be stoked - and they should have an official number, as they have to hire extra security as the attendance grows.

tony · November 2013

the falcon said:
only thing you can believe in the west is the date and the price... :))

Are you sure they always get the date right?

:-))

DamienWyer · November 2013

A source who attended the AGM tells me that an admission in respect to this year's Perth Cup on gate figures was incorrectly reported. The West Australian reported 17,000 attended, but in fact it was less than 11,000 in an address to the meeting by the Chairman.

Annual figures as shown in the below table from the two most recent Financial Reports, show a huge fall in the last 12 months of 25,476, however looking back on the 2008/09 figures, this is a fall of 36,128 for the season.

Comparatives 2012-13 2011-12 2010-11 2009-10

Operating Profit/(loss) ($’000) (557) (558) (1,449) (1,713)

Total Revenue ($’000) 106,323* 65,667 62,247 62,439

Total Borrowings ($) 0 2,594,014 10,992,239 15,147,106

Net Assets ($) 59,143,170 21,789,411 21,874,580 21,066,339

Attendance 175,017 200,493 191,224 205,321

Membership 2,563 2,624 2,611 2,530

On-Course Totaliser Sales ($’000) 37,902 41,852 36,596 37,589

Comparatives ($’000) 2011/2012 2010/2011 2009/2010 2008/2009

Operating Profit/(loss) ($558) ($1,449) ($1,713) ($1,505)

Total Revenue $65,667 $62,247 $62,439 $65,631

Total Borrowings $2,594,014 $10,992,239 $15,147,106 $29,767,766

Net Assets $21,789,411 $21,874,580 $21,066,339 $20,233,958

Attendance 200,493 191,224 205,321 211,145

Membership 2,624 2,611 2,530 2,644

On-Course Totaliser Sales $41,852 $36,596 $37,589 $38,698

goose · November 2013

Interesting stats what happened in 2011/2012 ? on course totaliser sales very good compared to other years.

If I remember last year didnt they have bad luck with weather? if you are relying on a few days then weather can wipe you out.

Theodor · November 2013

Good point BL and responded to accurately by LL. Something we should still pursue in future years. Typically we get told of race times about a month ahead of time. These comments are in response to earlier posts by BL and LL.

Attendance was 17,695 which was pleasing and compares favourably with Brisbane (16k) and Sydney (23k).

Some · November 2013

Goose, in 2011/2012 season they got a new tote manager who was a former RWWA employer with a great deal of experience , he made a lot of changes in regards to service and was very pro active on race day , but he left after only 1 season.

thefalcon · November 2013

if there were 18,000 on course i'll walk to china.

G'day Punter!

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