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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    1 flying late at 2, but not quite making it
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  • motivatedmotivated    334 posts
    Another disgraceful piece of riding by another WA apprentice in Race 6......when will all these kids get called in and all taken back to trials......someone will get seriously hurt soon you without a shadow of a doubt!
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    was that Whiting playing dodgem cars with Seattle Beau at the start?????
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    Looked like Miss Cockram might be the culprit again!? She didn't look as she came across which put pressure on runners to her inside. If she was at fault there could be a big fat holiday coming her way this time. If she is at fault she clearly hasn't learnt a fecking thing.
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  • pluggaplugga    19 posts
    Which kid are you talking about? It looked to me like a Harvey/Whiting sandwich and A Mitchell was just stuck in the middle.
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    edited January 2013
    Yeah not so sure Bobby. She was on the outside but I would think Azzopardi may be given the blame here. He appears to put the pressure on Harvey, on to Mitchell and Whiting who put O'Donnell into the fence. I'll leave this one up to the stewards though.
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  • TucoolTucool    174 posts
    Rodent said:

    P.Harvey special there on Comanche Red....drops his hands and eases down at the 60m mark and gets nutted for 4th. The fines don't work with this bloke. He's a quartet punter's nightmare.

    That's anoyance of mine a cheque is a cheque!!!

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    maybe he just looked sideways and tried to get out of the way...he'd have a lot of race vision to support his argument..joking everyone.

    I was only watching Donga and just saw Whiting push him into the fence...so missed all the stuff before that point, and we wont see it for a few days until PR put the whole race up
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  • pluggaplugga    19 posts
    I've watched it quite a few times on Foxtel IQ and there's a number of things to watch for, Whiting coming out, Harvey pushing up (with no where to go) then trying to avoid the heels of Azzopardi and A Mitchell caught in the middle. I don't think Cockram has anything to worry about.
    The bigger enquiry should be into how Roy Rogers got a double?
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  • squid69squid69    1,434 posts
    Silly bets in this race... Gingervate and Movies by Burswood
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  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Azzopardi will probably get time
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    Yeah just watched it again and i now think Cockram is much less involved than i 1st thought. Definitely a combination of things that went on there. Smokin Joey #1 suspect now tho.
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    rot8in said:

    I cant freaking believe that.. watching the replay,,,he would have definately held fourth....2 week holiday might work...

    Woah that was a terrible look by the Pont just stopped riding a long way out didn't he.
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    rot8in said:

    I cant freaking believe that.. watching the replay,,,he would have definately held fourth....2 week holiday might work...

    Woah that was a terrible look by the Pont just stopped riding a long way out didn't he.
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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    Bobby Davis said:

    Looked like Miss Cockram might be the culprit again!? She didn't look as she came across which put pressure on runners to her inside. If she was at fault there could be a big fat holiday coming her way this time. If she is at fault she clearly hasn't learnt a fecking thing.

    Bobby Davis said:

    Yeah just watched it again and i now think Cockram is much less involved than i 1st thought. Definitely a combination of things that went on there. Smokin Joey #1 suspect now tho.


    Perhaps you should have a better look before you hit the keyboard.
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    Fastmoney said:

    Bobby Davis said:

    Looked like Miss Cockram might be the culprit again!? She didn't look as she came across which put pressure on runners to her inside. If she was at fault there could be a big fat holiday coming her way this time. If she is at fault she clearly hasn't learnt a fecking thing.

    Bobby Davis said:

    Yeah just watched it again and i now think Cockram is much less involved than i 1st thought. Definitely a combination of things that went on there. Smokin Joey #1 suspect now tho.


    Perhaps you should have a better look before you hit the keyboard.
    Perhaps i should. ^:)^
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    RIO said:

    the falcon said:

    one decent bet for the falcon 2day...r4 flying baron.
    those who like a ruffie...mr nicoffski in the last..

    true to form my old mate...a roughie in the 4th did you say!!!!!

    having a shot at the quaddie...but really thin...I've not got one for many months, so today should continue the trend, but if i jag it i get a good percentage of it

    3/7
    1/2
    1/11
    1

    Had two bets today Ningaloo Blitz and Mendicity...so am in front for teh day noo matter what happens with the above.

    Good luck
    and that is why i stay away from quaddies...straight into the tripod club!!!!!!
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    RIO said:



    and that is why i stay away from quaddies...straight into the tripod club!!!!!!

    I'm in the tripod club too RIO....but for a different reason 8->
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  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    plugga said:


    The bigger enquiry should be into how Roy Rogers got a double?

    Spot on there plugga !
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    So Azzoparddi gets 26 days. Comparing the carelessness displayed, and the records of both riders, I still can't fathom the 21 days Cockram got.

    I'd better just stick to punting.
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    rot8in said:

    I cant freaking believe that.. watching the replay,,,he would have definately held fourth....2 week holiday might work...

    General: Jockey Paul Harvey (COMANCHE RED) pleaded guilty to a charge under ARR.137(b) for failing to ride his mount out to the end of the race and was fined the sum of $400.

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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    Radman said:

    Yeah not so sure Bobby. She was on the outside but I would think Azzopardi may be given the blame here. He appears to put the pressure on Harvey, on to Mitchell and Whiting who put O'Donnell into the fence. I'll leave this one up to the stewards though.

    Stewards inquired into the reason for SEATTLE BEAU (S. O’Donnell) checking severely and contacting the running rail near the 850m. Evidence was taken from Apprentice J. Azzopardi (LORD BALTHAZAR), and his acting host trainer Mr J. Taylor, Apprentice E. Cockram (EASI CUMMINS) and her host Trainer Ms D. Riordan. Jockeys M. Chui (LEICA JET), P. Harvey (BIG CLINT), S. O’Donnell (SEATTLE BEAU), J. Whiting (TUNGSTEN) and Apprentice A. Mitchell (HUDSON CRASH). After considering all the evidence it was ascertained that near the 850m LORD BALTHAZAR shifted inwards causing BIG CLINT to be crowded inwards onto HUDSON CRASH which was buffeted and contacted TUNGSTEN which was forced inwards onto SEATTLE BEAU causing it to be checked severely and made contact with the running rail. Apprentice J. Azzopardi pleaded guilty to a charge of careless riding under ARR.137(a) for causing the above interference and subsequently had his permit to ride in races suspended for a period of 26 days to commence from midnight 3 February 2013 and to expire at midnight 1 March 2013. When considering penalty Stewards took into account Apprentice Azzopardi’s guilty plea and his overall good record in relation to careless riding which revealed one previous offence in June 2012 since he commenced riding in races in May 2011.

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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    Stewards must have read my post
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    tony said:

    rot8in said:

    I cant freaking believe that.. watching the replay,,,he would have definately held fourth....2 week holiday might work...

    General: Jockey Paul Harvey (COMANCHE RED) pleaded guilty to a charge under ARR.137(b) for failing to ride his mount out to the end of the race and was fined the sum of $400.

    Isn't it amazing how 2 yrs ago he got charged with the exact same offence on one of my horses and got a $1000 fine at a provincial meeting..then we come to today, at a midweek meeting he gets done and only has a fine of $400..

    how is it a deterrent, when the more you get fined for the same offence the less the penalty????

    I'm amazed and confused by our stewards........Do they not keep records of prior offences?????
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  • BobbyDavisBobbyDavis    916 posts
    RIO said:

    tony said:

    rot8in said:

    I cant freaking believe that.. watching the replay,,,he would have definately held fourth....2 week holiday might work...

    General: Jockey Paul Harvey (COMANCHE RED) pleaded guilty to a charge under ARR.137(b) for failing to ride his mount out to the end of the race and was fined the sum of $400.

    Isn't it amazing how 2 yrs ago he got charged with the exact same offence on one of my horses and got a $1000 fine at a provincial meeting..then we come to today, at a midweek meeting he gets done and only has a fine of $400..

    how is it a deterrent, when the more you get fined for the same offence the less the penalty????

    I'm amazed and confused by our stewards........Do they not keep records of prior offences?????
    What place did your horse miss on that occasion Rio?
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Radman said:

    So Azzoparddi gets 26 days. Comparing the carelessness displayed, and the records of both riders, I still can't fathom the 21 days Cockram got.

    I'd better just stick to punting.

    um yeah..rather amazing when taking into account prior convictions...one incident was at the hustle and bustle of the start of a race and finding a spot.. I don't doubt that he should have been stood down. But to say that is a more serious offence than how Cockram deliberately forced her mount onto another runner in an effort to get her horse into a winning position at any cost; is a lesser offence is a bit of a surprise....

    Got a feeling that the stewards may need a points system like the football leagues, cos these 3 penalties - along with the inconsistency of the P Harvey fine - is an indication that their judgement may be a little inconsistent...
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    RIO said:


    Isn't it amazing how 2 yrs ago he got charged with the exact same offence on one of my horses and got a $1000 fine at a provincial meeting..then we come to today, at a midweek meeting he gets done and only has a fine of $400..

    how is it a deterrent, when the more you get fined for the same offence the less the penalty????

    I'm amazed and confused by our stewards........Do they not keep records of prior offences?????

    From memory Rio, didn't Harvey get fined that day for failing to achieve the best possible place? That's a different charge to failing to ride the mount out.

    Having said that, P Hall recently got three months for failing to show enough vigour, so inconsistencies are still very apparent.
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  • RodentRodent    7,457 posts
    Harvey is an habitual offender. Maybe there should be a demerit system. Fines should have demerit points attached to them. Too many in a certain period=suspension.
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited January 2013
    this is the actual report...there was half a length between the winner and 4th

    General: Jockey P. Harvey, rider of the 4th placed MUSICAL DANE, was found guilty of a charge under ARR.137(b) for failing to ride his mount out to the end of the race and was fined the sum of $1,000.


    And the following from today's report..

    Race 5 Continued
    General: Jockey Paul Harvey (COMANCHE RED) pleaded guilty to a charge under ARR.137(b) for failing to ride his mount out to the end of the race and was fined the sum of $400.

    pretty similar charges i reckon!!!

    Um, but i make this very clear..that I'm not saying Harvey has the problem..the problem is the stewards...As a lot of jocks get done for this..maybe he is a bit more habitual than others, but he definitely isn't the only one..just that i knew about this actual situation, which makes it easy to highlight..
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  • RadmanRadman    1,992 posts
    My apolgies, thinking of a different one obviously.

    I was thinking about a race, I'm sure he was on a horse trained by Crispin, where he got fined twice in the one race. Once for failing to gain the best position and the other for overuse of the whip?

    As rodent says, he is a habitual offender but because of his status he seems to get off lightly. I mean what is 400 bux to a multi?
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