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- Blake June 2011
- Brubaker June 2011
- carey June 2011
- darkshines June 2011
- GEN June 2011
- Nats June 2011
- Rodent June 2011
- thefalcon June 2011
- TheFunkster June 2011
stewards or handicapper?
West Australian Racing
carey
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i was wondering why the stewards are telling connections that their horse cannot start in the city unless its form improves.
is it any of their business?
isn't their job about integrity of the product, rather than telling connections their horse is not good enough to compete?
i was thinking that stewards should NOT BE ALLOWED to make these decisions, as can't see it's any of their business.
if anybody should make orders of this kind, then surely it must be the handicapper, because they are the guys whose job it is to class horses and races, NOT the stewards.
would love to get some feedback from rwwa over this, because imo the stewards are overstepping the mark.
is it any of their business?
isn't their job about integrity of the product, rather than telling connections their horse is not good enough to compete?
i was thinking that stewards should NOT BE ALLOWED to make these decisions, as can't see it's any of their business.
if anybody should make orders of this kind, then surely it must be the handicapper, because they are the guys whose job it is to class horses and races, NOT the stewards.
would love to get some feedback from rwwa over this, because imo the stewards are overstepping the mark.
Comments
I just think it should be more methodical, let the panel handle the other ones (not blatant safety related ones) during the week and advise barrings then, not within half hour post race (current set up). Considering all other tasks stipes have got, these decisions must get about 10 seconds think time when they are able to tell the trainer that quick. Is that fair?
Handicapper should probably not accept their nom in the first place, if the horse is obvioulsly well out of its class and will not be competitive. E.g. a 54 rater with no form nominating for a 74+ Sat Hcp.
Handicapper can give the trainer a warning and fine repeat offenders
ie, ask the trainer why the horse should be allowed to start if it is way out of its class.
If the trainer tells the handicapper that they expect the horse to be competitive, and it supsequently isnt, the trainer would then be more receptive of being told not to start the horse in town again. Unless of course he can put up a reasonable excuss.
But i think we have to be careful here, it can be hard to get a start in suitable races for unproven horses that are looking for longer distance races that havent shown any form as they are working up in distance. Sometimes trainers have no choice but to put them into an unsuitable class of race just to keep there fitness up.
it would be very hard to NOT accept their nom wouldn't it?
esroh was a 72 rater.
what do you do when said horse is almost always ineligible to race at provincial A venues, and very rarely would be eligible for midweek metro races and a race to suit would be rarer still?
the only options are for minor provincial and country venues, and considering its bush rating would likely be 3 or 4 points more that the 70 it now is for metro, it is also going to carry a hefty impost.
is it fair to banish in those circumstances?
how does it get the chance to improve its form?
maybe, just maybe.....THE RATING WAS WRONG by a long way???
I think it is clear that instance that the overall form of that horse did not warrant the decision made.
SKATING PAST before wednesday -
12th of 12 Randwick beaten 99L
5th of 10 Taree beaten 5.7L
13th of 14 Newcastle beaten 12L
4th of 12 Queanbeyan beaten 6.3L
13th of 14 Wyong beaten 9L
16th of 16 Randwick beaten 13L
FF of 14 Musswellbrook
then wednesday - 9th of 9 W.Farm beaten 24lengths.
it shouldn't have been there.
SKATING PAST
3yo Grey Filly
D.O.B: 20/10/2007
by BRADBURY'S LUCK from VOCAL DANCER
Identification Number: AUS00938312 Microchip Number: N/A
OWNERS DETAILS (updated nightly): Bay Thoroughbreds, Mr C J Presland, Mr W B Chipman, Mr GA Chipman, Mr CR Dickson, Mrs KM Dickson, Mrs L Thompson
STEWARD EMBARGOES: Current - 22/06/2011, Suspension (Uncompetitive) (click here for more)
EXOTIC DISEASE RECORD: (Under Construction - Available Soon)
LAST GEAR CHANGE: (WA & NSW gear may be incomplete): 18/05/2011, Blinkers, Off, Comment: Nil (click here for more)
RECENT FORM:
Trainer - Andrew Eastcott (Wyong)
Racing Colours - GOLD, PURPLE HORSESHOE AND SLEEVES, QUARTERED CAP
Career: 8-0-0-0 Prizemoney: $500
(g) Notwithstanding the foregoing conditions the Committee of the Club may, in its absolute discretion, eliminate any horse or
horses from a race, and/or exclude any horse or horses from the operation of any or all of the preceding elimination conditions,
irrespective of the age, allotted weight or Handicappers rating of the horse concerned.
"The Committee of the Club" means the Committee of any Club which is registered with a Principal Racing Authority or whose meetings are registered with a Principal Racing Authority.
ESROH is racing on Wednesday
it was not banned from midweek, but how often is there going to be a 72 to suit?
it has to fail miserably here too, to get some more rating relief or it's likely going nowhere.
rwwa from what i understand dummed down the midweeks and provincials, to force those rated above a certain level into saturday company.
then, for stewards to turn around and tell connectiions to go elsehwere, when in fact there is not much elsewhere, is imo ludicrous.
as for the horse itself, that is another topic completely.
Currency Law....22 lgths
Shes Not Ugly....29 lgths
I'm off to have a geezer at the stewards report.... :?
Double standards?
Got a snout on Richie Green?
I dunno, they amaze me at times... :?
i heard a rumour that burnt caviar aka ? is not going to be allowed to bet anywhere bar the boulder pub, because there is a perfectly suitable terminal there!
same stupid logic applies.
oh, and they raced last week anyway.
Its only after 2,3or4 city runs where they are consistently beaten by decent margins