2019 Perth Cup - early thoughts.West Australian Racing

H-BOMBER

Hope you got some good running shoes mate.

Ridersonthestorm33

Haha too late to make that one lap ?

Anyway it's the Juicing Carrots, Like A Butterfly's, The Big Show horses of the world who should be complaining about the weights!

Top weighted horses in these handicaps have never got in so well, bottom weighted horses have never got in so badly. ( Compared to yesteryear )

We are talking horses here that are classes above the rest in quality.

A few sleeps ago and the minimum ones were on 46kg, then 48kg, up to 50kg, then 51kg and what is it now - 53kg ?

Whilst the toppies are still hovering around the same weight level they would have been allocated in the past. There probably carrying less in fact.

The weights given to Pounamu & Material Man in the last Cup made a lot of difference (not) they careered away from them. Classes above the rest + thrown in at the weights.

therealkramer

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

So that's why Galaxy Star is in some doubt...the weight she might be allocated ?  

If they're thinking of taking her east there's absolutely nothing to be gained-apart from prize money-from making her carry the grandstand over a distance which she is untested.

hash

therealkramer said:

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

So that's why Galaxy Star is in some doubt...the weight she might be allocated ?  

If they're thinking of taking her east there's absolutely nothing to be gained-apart from prize money-from making her carry the grandstand over a distance which she is untested.

good way to bust the horse and end her career... hopefully he's learnt his lesson from Delicacy

therealkramer

hash said:

therealkramer said:

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

So that's why Galaxy Star is in some doubt...the weight she might be allocated ?  

If they're thinking of taking her east there's absolutely nothing to be gained-apart from prize money-from making her carry the grandstand over a distance which she is untested.

good way to bust the horse and end her career... hopefully he's learnt his lesson from Delicacy

Delicacy was a proven stayer though and she was never a serious contender in the Railway. Galaxy Star seems too brilliant to win a grinding slugfest that these longer races often are.

Ridersonthestorm33

Can always make the Perth Cup Weight For Age.

Just what we need in Australia another 6 horse weight for age race.
Like it or not...it's a handicap for a reason.

Ridersonthestorm33

Think read a few years ago that the Caulfield Cup was going to become Weight For Age 8-| hopefully that's been shelved.

One of the greatest handicap races in the world.

H-BOMBER

At the end of the day it's the wrong time of year with the current programming.

It used to work, but a lot has changed. I think it should be 2 weeks after the WA derby. Would incorporate a lot of the country cups races, have the quality of an autumn carnival running around and add another dimension with WA derby and oaks runners considered. 2400m is fine.

It would be a truly great race then, as it once might have been

therealkramer

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Can always make the Perth Cup Weight For Age.

Just what we need in Australia another 6 horse weight for age race.
Like it or not...it's a handicap for a reason.

Is it fair to give a horse 59kg over a distance it's never raced? There are limitations of ratings and the difference between 1600m & 2000m, or 2000m  & 2400m should be considered. Delicacy(59kg) earned her impost: WA Oaks, WA Derby & Schweppes Oaks(SA) wins all over 2400m

Ridersonthestorm33

And Bomber perhaps run the 3200 metre WA Cup on or around New Years Day ?
The tradition comes back of a 3200 metre handicap race at this time of year.

Most of the once a year racegoers on the day wouldn't notice the difference anyway, they'll still think it's the Perth Cup! Therefore still draw a decent crowd hopefully.

For me leave it as it is..but open to change!

therealkramer

therealkramer said:

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Can always make the Perth Cup Weight For Age.

Just what we need in Australia another 6 horse weight for age race.
Like it or not...it's a handicap for a reason.

Is it fair to give a horse 59kg over a distance it's never raced? There are limitations of ratings and the difference between 1600m & 2000m, or 2000m  & 2400m should be considered. Delicacy(59kg) earned her impost: WA Oaks, WA Derby & Schweppes Oaks(SA) wins all over 2400m

*Correction-the Schweppes Oaks was only 2000m but still a Group 1. The SA Derby, also a Group 1, was 2400m and she beat Werther there-he went on the conquer HK.

therealkramer

Speaking of HK, Dark Dream, who beat Youngstar in the QLD Derby, just annihilated them in a class 2 and is on the HK Derby trail :)]

paraletic

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Wonder if their is anything left in Star Exhibit ? Has it been the Cup all along where he will bounce back ? If this field fell away much more, guess got to be some hope, and will still be double figures.

Never changed the mind so much on a horse!

The $11 and $12 ? each way that was available all last week on Gatting - a good ticket if you're holding.

im holding a fair few of those tickets riders, nothing huge but just small bets taking the price here and there. the price from the time the markets opened has been a joke and have made that clear on this topic. My brother got on for $17 (boosted) as late as last week.

Ridersonthestorm33

If Galaxy doesn't run, then who'll start favourite ?
Probably the horse that should have been second favourite all the way along - Gatting.
Doesn't mean he'll win - but the double figure odds did seem a bit strange, especially on the back of excellent Railway and Kingston Town runs.

Corporate markets on the Cup now dissapearing faster than you can say Indiana Jones!

piker

I still like Action; he needs racing to have him fit; he loves that distance.

My All In bets of MM ( Cox)  into Action and GS in PC should be cactus; but noticed the TAB refunded a $7 place MM online in the Cox even though I made it on Tuesday!

I have rescued my all-ups tickets in case they are still live.

piker

I could not resist an all up today Tenacity in to Action and also Like a Butterfly, the latter a grinding run yesterday.

tony

piker said:

I still like Action; he needs racing to have him fit; he loves that distance.

My All In bets of MM ( Cox)  into Action and GS in PC should be cactus; but noticed the TAB refunded a $7 place MM online in the Cox even though I made it on Tuesday!

I have rescued my all-ups tickets in case they are still live.

Final field was Tuesday which is why the refund I guess.

goose

therealkramer said:

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Can always make the Perth Cup Weight For Age.

Just what we need in Australia another 6 horse weight for age race.
Like it or not...it's a handicap for a reason.

Is it fair to give a horse 59kg over a distance it's never raced? There are limitations of ratings and the difference between 1600m & 2000m, or 2000m  & 2400m should be considered. Delicacy(59kg) earned her impost: WA Oaks, WA Derby & Schweppes Oaks(SA) wins all over 2400m

WA racing is a complete farce if Galaxy Star doesnt get at least 59kgs it is a handicap for a reason if they dont like it stick to WFA racing the carnival is not put on for Peters.

octavius

GS is out.

Ridersonthestorm33

Wow. At least gives everybody else a chance and opens the race right up.

No matter how much spin they put on it..what an ordinary field, but as somebody once said to me.."have you ever tried to win one". Good luck to them all.

Also see you at the course proper bomber!

paraletic

tactics should be interesting in this race

Ridersonthestorm33

Gatting into $4 favourite..well done boys, all you need now is around barrier 3 - 7.

Prize Catch a big mover into $9 and definetly a big hope now. Interesting run in the Cox.

H-BOMBER

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hash

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Gatting into $4 favourite..well done boys, all you need now is around barrier 3 - 7.

Prize Catch a big mover into $9 and definetly a big hope now. Interesting run in the Cox.

horse isn't even a confirmed starter!

GLAMOUR

But wasnt it said in interveiw on Sat,as fir Gatting,will wait and see weights,if he starts or not.even if he gets 59kg still ??? mininum is 53kg,be enteresting.

Ridersonthestorm33

If Gatting isn't a confirmed starter and no Galaxy Star or Material Man and possibly no eastern staters...what's going on ?!

Too precious these days...need to harden up haha.

Chelsea

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Gatting into $4 favourite..well done boys, all you need now is around barrier 3 - 7.
It's due to get a barrier between 12-16 how many times has it drawn a gate in big races

Prize Catch a big mover into $9 and definetly a big hope now. Interesting run in the Cox.

Chelsea

Gatting is due to get a barrier between 12-16,after always drawing a barrier in big races

paraletic

Ridersonthestorm33 said:

Gatting into $4 favourite..well done boys, all you need now is around barrier 3 - 7.

Prize Catch a big mover into $9 and definetly a big hope now. Interesting run in the Cox.

he needs to draw a barrier away from some slowies that will hold him up

DamienWyer

Someone said Bob will have five runners and the overall quality of the race is maybe a Saturday field. Pity the race has come to this, it used to be a quality 3200M now it's just rubbish.