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      <title>Harness &amp; Greyhounds - Perth Turf Talk</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2026 13:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Bunbury Cup Saturday.</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28103/bunbury-cup-saturday</link>
      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2024 12:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Frog</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[The field is well worth a discussion.<div>Any views.&nbsp;</div><div>2 off the best runs in the Mount Eden Sprint&nbsp;</div><div>Swingband and Valentines Brook hold a strong hand.</div>]]></description>
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      <title>Cups, Cups,Cups - Our Cups Runneth Over</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28105/cups-cups-cups-our-cups-runneth-over</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2024 05:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>Three Cups scheduled for Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights over Easter. A fantastic field assembled for the $50k Bunbury Cup and some very fortunate connections (just 9 acceptors, only eight runners with the scratching) running for a very lucrative $50k in the level 7/9 front Easter Cup (in practical terms for level 8/9 horses with those above off stand handicaps) with Level 7/8 Westbred horses in the $11k Wagin Cup, which only has a field of 7 acceptors.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Bunbury Cup is a "gold ticket" for the Fremantle Cup, a 2936m race ridiculously positioned the week after what looks like being a grueling Nullabor<br /></div><div>but the runners at Bunbury will be working a lot harder for their share of the $50k than the Easter Cup competitors.Will the Nullabor runners front up for the Freo Cup?&nbsp; Time will tell but maybe the Freo Cup has a better role as a lead up race over a reduced distance two weeks before? Or as most in the Industry opine, return it to a stand and return it to its traditional February time slot and programme stand races leading into it. It really is in no mans land where it currently is placed. It seems that the important ingredients of imagination and innovative thought are bereft. Just a thought bubble, why not have the Bunbury Cup as a lead up two weeks prior to the Nullabor? .<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>This surely raises questions for Cameron Brown as he wades through the quicksand trying to right the Harness ship of state. And the main question is programming and when he will act to sort out the mess it has become. Time for new blood perhaps?<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Accepting the need to run a $50k race at GP to attract the increased product fee&nbsp; (the Premium or Prime rate) to receive a better return on investment from the Betting Companies is one thing, and accepting that the Easter Cup has historically been a time honoured stand for our best horses is another but how can a front of L8/9 for $50k be justified?&nbsp; The week before, the stand was a L10/11 $21k race?&nbsp; How can that possibly be viewed as a lead up&nbsp; to the L7/9 Easter Cup? Why weren't these two races "flipped" so to speak?&nbsp; The L7/9 stand for $21k leading into the L10/11 Cup the week after for say $30k, releasing $20k for an innovative heats and final series for a new race, the Easter Bonnet or whatever?<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Has that programming decision eventuated in a diluted field running for a rich stipend? Astute trainer Hall Snr has seen the opportunity with open eyes to run his two returning horses in a $50k stand rather than a normal Friday night $21k race. And why wouldn't he?</div><div><br /></div><div>But the logic behind the programming just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>The BOTRA Cup, also a stand for L7/9 horses, ran&nbsp; for $30k back in July. Where is the consistency in stake allocation? Is there not some sort of matrix for stake allocation to provide consistency? Country Cups for higher class horses (York Cup, Northam Cup, Narrogin Cup) are all over the place on both classes eligible, and stake allocated e.g the York Cup L7/9 stand for $30k, the Northam Cup L7/9 stand for $35k and the Narrogin Cup L15 Mobile FFA for $35k.</div><div><br /></div><div>All these variations may be part of a master plan of programming spread across a whole season based on a dynamic and flexible assessment in keeping with the current&nbsp; horse racing&nbsp; population but if so, it appears well disguised by the repetitive cut and paste weekly set of races that are advertised, with an aside that strangely no $L5&nbsp; races ever allocated to Pinjarra it seems, instead we now see them regularly on the GP program to make up fields and numbers.</div><div><br /></div><div>Yet again, everyone received the now almost weekly advice that "Nominations have been extended for both Pinjarra and Gloucester Park on Monday and Tuesday" via text. So. all is far from well in the City of Rome.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>To my mind, this is just another example, along with many others previously highlighted, where the programming in conjunction with a patched up HWOE/Conditioned handicap system is not helping the overall product. It would seem that Brown is definitely having a crack at getting things done but there are some glaring elephants in the room that need both acknowledgment and corrective surgery. Rationalising country venues isn't one of them but programming and handicapping are. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Anyway, just a few random thoughts that may or may not provoke some discussion over Easter.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>&nbsp;<br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>GP- Easter Cup (Gp3)</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28107/gp-easter-cup-gp3</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Race 1-&nbsp; <span>&nbsp;Street Appeal,</span>&nbsp; Shoot Through,&nbsp; Beyond Bling,&nbsp; Eye Better<div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Golden Lode</span>,&nbsp; Arma Believer,&nbsp; Grand Couteau,&nbsp; Grevis</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Dominus Factum</span>,&nbsp; Rupert Of Lincoln,&nbsp; Per Ardua Ad Astra,&nbsp; Burghley Shard</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hoppys Way</span>,&nbsp; The Miki Taker,&nbsp; Blitzembye,&nbsp; Finvarra</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Skylord</span>,&nbsp; Flying Rumour,&nbsp; All Is Well,&nbsp; Maungatahi&nbsp;</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Skylou,</span>&nbsp; Im The Black Flash,&nbsp; Brickies Dream,&nbsp; Ardens Horizon</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Turn The Page</span>,&nbsp; Acharne Girl,&nbsp; Mighthavtime,&nbsp; Fleur Du Marquis</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Mister Smartee,</span>&nbsp; Galaxy Warrior,&nbsp; Call To Arms,&nbsp; Bettor Move Along</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;El Chema</span>,&nbsp; Watts Up Sunshine,&nbsp; Lets Get Rockin,&nbsp; Solesseo Matuca</div><div>Race 10-<span> Hes Never Been Beta</span>,&nbsp; Sound Wave,&nbsp; Duty Bound,&nbsp; Gypsy Dragon</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Wagin Tonight</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28106/wagin-tonight</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2024 07:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Markovina</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Had a few bets their tonight<div><br /></div><div>(a) My main bet - and i think it is a certainty - but E/W as allways is the go - the last race no 10 Hes A Cool Mach @ $5 - easily the</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; best horse in this race , and to say it has been totally devoid of any racing luck at its last 2 starts is an understatement&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>(b) The other 2 ive backed , much smaller bets , these type of horses will send you broke , but their last runs ( given the fields they are in tonight ) get sort of a tick and they are dropping in grade - Race 5 no 9 Ashima @ $34 and Race 2 no 9 Speed Force&nbsp; @ $9.50&nbsp;</div>]]></description>
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      <title>Pinny Trots</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28101/pinny-trots</link>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 02:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>sonny</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[R5n10...R7n9..R9n6...<br />Have a good day on the punt... Idont bet on the 1100m&nbsp; therefore no quads for me..]]></description>
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      <title>GP- Preux Chevalier 4yo Classic (Gp3)</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28097/gp-preux-chevalier-4yo-classic-gp3</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;<span>Three Rumours,</span>&nbsp; Beyond The Sea,&nbsp; Wall Street Girl,&nbsp; Ima Tiny Dancer<div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Thomson Bay,</span>&nbsp; Rocknroll Sass,&nbsp; Adda Spoilt Major,&nbsp; Henwood Bay</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>The Miki Taker,</span>&nbsp; Hoppys Way,&nbsp; Arma Xfactor,&nbsp; El Chema</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Tricky Miki,</span>&nbsp; Tenzing Bromac,&nbsp; Blitzembye,&nbsp; Hampton Banner</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Never Ending</span>,&nbsp; Hotly Pursued,&nbsp; Lusaka,&nbsp; Chaco Eagle</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Steel The Show,</span>&nbsp; Ardens Horizon,&nbsp; Lucca,&nbsp; Mister Montblanc</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Miki Jet,</span>&nbsp; The Wildcard,&nbsp; Galaxy Warrior,&nbsp; Ira Poole</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Bramante Steps,</span>&nbsp; Sound Wave,&nbsp; Rockaball,&nbsp; Cabsav</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Shoot Through,</span>&nbsp; Mister Linton,&nbsp; Euston Flyer,&nbsp; Seeknyoushallfind</div><div>Race 10- <span>Water Lou,</span>&nbsp; Xceptional Arma,&nbsp; In A Wink,&nbsp; Copy Cat Queen</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>WACHRA Survey Results</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28089/wachra-survey-results</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>Western Australian Country Harness Racing Association conducted a survey of Industry Participants. The results and responses are posted at the link below, along with added written feedback from 95 of the 162 respondents. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>A meeting with Minister Papalia on Wednesday to discuss this data was called off due to his personal circumstances after WACHRA representatives had already traveled to Perth.Unfortunate but things happen.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>These responses should be read in the light of persistent rumors swirling around concerning the RWWA's Board response this week to Club and Track rationalisation. It seems a decision has been made to proceed with rationalisation. Many country clubs and tracks will in all likelihood disappear. The previously failed concept of "Growing The Industry By Shrinking The Footprint" provides further evidence of Einsteins often quoted definition of Insanity.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/864429637915587/permalink/1122350648790150/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com/groups/864429637915587/permalink/1122350648790150/</a></div><div><br /></div><div>It is a fairly big document but for those interested in the future of what will be a very small boutique code, it may be of some interest. Then again, it may not.<br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Pinjarra Monday.</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28093/pinjarra-monday</link>
      <pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Frog</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Good to see a new form of Super 9s, with the programming<div>allowing some of our best horses running on our best track.<br /><div><br /></div></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Murrihy Report Tasmanian Harness</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28015/murrihy-report-tasmanian-harness</link>
      <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2024 03:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>Report released today. 53 pages but cut to the chase with the last 5 or 6 pages of findings and recommendations. Not a pretty read.</div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://nre.tas.gov.au/Documents/Final%20Report%20-%20Murrihy.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://nre.tas.gov.au/Documents/Final Report - Murrihy.pdf</a></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>GP- The Im Themightyquinn</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28088/gp-the-im-themightyquinn</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2024 23:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<span>GP</span><div><span>Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Heez As Good As Gold,</span>&nbsp; Fly To Fame,&nbsp; Wasa Heat Seeker,&nbsp; Chaco Eagle</div><div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Loucid Dreams,</span>&nbsp; Showpony,&nbsp; Soho Santorini,&nbsp; Thomson Bay</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Turn The Page</span>,&nbsp; Ima Tiny Dancer,&nbsp; Make Your Mark,&nbsp; Pocketful Of Opals</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Pinny Tiger,</span>&nbsp; Arma Einstein,&nbsp; Jett Star,&nbsp; Finvarra</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Galaxy Warrior,</span>&nbsp; Franco Mecca,&nbsp; Bee Jays Boy,&nbsp; Illawong Mustang</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Mighty Ronaldo</span>,&nbsp; Galactic Star,&nbsp; Flying Rumour,&nbsp; Cordero</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Rascal,</span>&nbsp; Lil Happy Fella,&nbsp; Rockaball,&nbsp; Acuto</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Mister Linton,</span>&nbsp; Sidstrepo,&nbsp; Euston Flyer,&nbsp; Eye Better</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Patched</span>,&nbsp; Tricky Ric,&nbsp; Aldebaran Sundown,&nbsp; Luvaflair</div><div>Race 10-<span> Prince Of Pain</span>,&nbsp; Thenu Came Along,&nbsp; Thelittle Master,&nbsp; Dark Eyes</div><div><br /></div><div><span>Bunbury</span></div><div>R1- The Van Gogh Camel</div><div>R2- Catch The Red Eye</div><div>R3- Callmewhatuwant</div><div>R4- Sound Wave</div><div>R5- Wheel Fast</div><div>R6- Military Star</div><div>R7- Lucy Helen</div>]]></description>
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      <title>GP- The Lombardo (Gp3 F&amp;M)</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28083/gp-the-lombardo-gp3-f-m</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2024 23:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;<span>Chaco Eagle,&nbsp;</span> Cooper,&nbsp; Showpony,&nbsp; Sugar Street<div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>The Miki Taker,&nbsp; </span>Tiger Royal,&nbsp; Soho Santorini,&nbsp; Rascal</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Franco Ecuador,&nbsp;</span> Rolling Fire,&nbsp; Flying Rumour,&nbsp; Ardens Horizon</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Lavra Joe,&nbsp;</span> Hampton Banner,&nbsp; Ima Fivestar General,&nbsp; Swingband</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Nullarbor Navajo,&nbsp;</span> Cyclone Charlotte,&nbsp; Mighthavtime,&nbsp; Beyond The Sea</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Advantage,&nbsp;</span> Wasa Heat Seeker,&nbsp; Galaxy Warrior,&nbsp; Sound Wave</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Navy Street,&nbsp;</span> Lucca,&nbsp; Fly To Fame,&nbsp; Mister Montblanc</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Xceptional Arma,&nbsp;</span> Copy Cat Lombo,&nbsp; The Swindler,&nbsp; Lenora Jane</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Money Well Spent,&nbsp;</span> Highview Heidi,&nbsp; Float My Boat,&nbsp; Jaxs Ideal</div><div>Race 10- <span>Lucapelo,&nbsp;</span> Sidstrepo,&nbsp; Maddy Rocks,&nbsp; Duty Bound</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Miracle Mile</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28087/miracle-mile</link>
      <pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2024 23:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>sonny</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[What a horse.. Thjnk its the best I have seen ....]]></description>
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      <title>TROTSYND</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28084/trotsynd</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>warrenrobinson</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Morning, Hearing a few syndication members are not happy with the management of Trotsynd, not sure of the legalities of running syndicates re yearly reporting audit, ACC but certainly worth a discussion.]]></description>
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      <title>No Magnificent Storm</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28085/no-magnificent-storm</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Very unfortunate, who will Entain go after now to fill their Nullabor Slot?<br />]]></description>
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      <title>GP- APG WA Sales Classics(2yo C&amp;G/F &amp; 3yo C&amp;G/F)</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28072/gp-apg-wa-sales-classics-2yo-c-g-f-3yo-c-g-f</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2024 04:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<span>GP</span><div><span>Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>The Miki Taker,&nbsp;</span> Lucapelo,&nbsp; Illawong Mustang,&nbsp; Galaxy Warrior</div><div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Otis,&nbsp;</span> Rocknroll Elliot,&nbsp; Soho Santorini,&nbsp; Lil Happy Fella</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Ima Fivestar General,&nbsp;</span> Rumour Has It,&nbsp; Flying Rumour,&nbsp; Wonderful To Fly</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hampton Banner,&nbsp;</span> Arma Einstein,&nbsp; Alcopony,&nbsp; Galactic Star</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Ten To The Dozen,&nbsp;</span> Thenu Came Along,&nbsp; Grevis,&nbsp; Menemsha</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Copy Cat Queen,&nbsp;</span> Water Lou,&nbsp; Xceptional Arma,&nbsp; I Cross My Heart</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Louis Vee,&nbsp;</span> Mysta Moon Walker,&nbsp; Control The Room,&nbsp; The Bettor Side</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Copper Head Lady,</span>&nbsp; Ruby Lou,&nbsp; Bull Shark Betty,&nbsp; Bettagetonpip</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Cyclone Charlotte,</span>&nbsp; Sugar Street,&nbsp; Eldaytona,&nbsp; Nevermindthechaos</div><div><span>Race 10- </span><span>Ardens Horizon,&nbsp;</span> Navy Street,&nbsp; Lucca,&nbsp; Mister Montblanc</div><div><span>Race 11- </span><span>Miki Jet,&nbsp;</span> Cooper,&nbsp; Adda Spoilt Major,&nbsp; Cowboys n Bandits</div><div>Race 12- <span>Franco Encore</span>,&nbsp; Here Comes Sharkie,&nbsp; Maddy Rocks,&nbsp; Sidstrepo</div><div><br /></div><div><span>Narrogin</span></div><div>R1- Del Bocavista Bay</div><div>R2- Ellucifer</div><div>R3- Our Lady Jen</div><div>R4- Franco Mecca</div><div>R5- Military Star</div><div>R6- Pacific Eagle</div><div>R7- The Thirsty Vet</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Victorian Harness Hitting The Wall</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28070/victorian-harness-hitting-the-wall</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Feb 2024 04:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>Harness link article on Victorian Harness situation. Similarities to WA are scarily identical: Going busted aarse broke.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="https://harnesslink.com/australia/urgent-call-for-transformational-change-in-victoria-to-avoid-more-stake-cuts/?fbclid=IwAR0ouNqTFX9n_aWNKQHayYLbd9g34r73t7m-GZoT6clGHa_w_4iSMX35QCI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://harnesslink.com/australia/urgent-call-for-transformational-change-in-victoria-to-avoid-more-stake-cuts/?fbclid=IwAR0ouNqTFX9n_aWNKQHayYLbd9g34r73t7m-GZoT6clGHa_w_4iSMX35QCI</a></div><div><br /></div><div>WA is ,primarily from Gloucester Park metro meetings (fact), also living way beyond its means, the product is broken, harness is losing millions, now way under the often quoted 40 cents in the dollar return,&nbsp; and with overall share of turnover at less than 11% and falling, it is clear punters will not bet on the current product. Stakes cuts are a living certainty moving forward, the subsidies from the other codes can't continue. The product is broken.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>There has been much social media discussion of late about improvements to the product....trial replay availability on TABtouch, post race interviews with drivers and trainers, we have pre-race birdcage interviews: all excellent ideas and impossible to argue against but who will watch or listen? The product is on the nose and these positives are the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. A prettier pig but still a pig.&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>The bigger issues of handicapping, programming, PBD, calendar dates, on course stabling/training centre etc etc are rarely discussed. Yes, they are difficult areas but tinkering around the peripheries will solve nothing. And despite all the propaganda about the "redevelopment" of GP and the vacuuming up of $25 million of Industry funding all to retain an 800m track with a comfy new lounge for the few members that go along, that is years away from ever eventuating and will not make a scintilla of difference to the fact that the good ship Harness has a gaping hole in its hull.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Until their is a management and industry realisation that the product of the plethora of non competitive $1.10 favourites winning each week in small fields (granted, partially corrected of late at GP but robbing Peter to pay Paul is in play), which is great for the big boys to play their multi's and all ups, has been and continues to be ruinous for the Industry. it does nothing in attracting back the 1000's of former trots punters who have given up ages ago, or of attracting the new age sports betting crew who would prefer to bet on who scores the first touchdown in American Football or gets the first wicket in BBL. <br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>GP- Chandon 4yo Classic (Gp3)</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28057/gp-chandon-4yo-classic-gp3</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<span>GP</span><div><span>Race 1-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Xceptional Arma,&nbsp;</span> Water Lou,&nbsp; In A Wink,&nbsp; Atlantic Gem</div><div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Ira Poole,&nbsp;</span> Mighthavtime,&nbsp; State Of Heaven,&nbsp; Bee Jays Boy</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Tiger Royal,&nbsp;</span> Flying Rumour,&nbsp; Onesmartfella,&nbsp; Ifeel Sikdarl</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Franco Ecuador,&nbsp;</span> Arma Einstein,&nbsp; Pinny Tiger,&nbsp; Alcopony</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hotly Pursued,&nbsp;</span> Rolling Fire,&nbsp; Hale Saint Louie,&nbsp; Holy Hecka</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hector,&nbsp;</span> Lucca,&nbsp; Lady Prima Donna,&nbsp; Otis</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Steno,&nbsp;</span> Wonderful To Fly,&nbsp; Beyond The Sea,&nbsp; Rumour Has It</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Wasa Heat Seeker,&nbsp;</span> Haywire,&nbsp; Cowboys n Bandits,&nbsp; Lamandier</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp;</span><span> &nbsp;Ardens Horizon,</span>&nbsp; Soho Santorini,&nbsp; Watts Up Sunshine,&nbsp; Showpony</div><div>Race 10- <span>Major Corrida,</span>&nbsp; Terror In Texas,&nbsp; Maddy Rocks,&nbsp; Alfredi</div><div><br /></div><div><span>Albany</span></div><div>R1- Alexandra Thegreat</div><div>R2- Storm The Beach</div><div>R3- Henwood Bay</div><div>R4- Bazaar Package</div><div>R5- Chasing Hill</div><div>R6- Thomson Bay</div><div>R7- On The Back Foot</div><div>R8- Pecunious</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28048/gp-lord-mayors-cup-gp3</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 23:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<span>GP</span><div><span>Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Franco Ecuador,</span>&nbsp; The Miki Taker,&nbsp; Mighthavtime,&nbsp; Galaxy Warrior</div><div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Tiger Royal,</span>&nbsp; Onesmartfella,&nbsp; Cordero,&nbsp; Nevermindthechaos</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Ima Fivestar General,</span>&nbsp; Regal Cheval,&nbsp; Acuto,&nbsp; Deeorse</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Arma Einstein,</span>&nbsp; Finvarra,&nbsp; Sugar Street,&nbsp; Galactic Star</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Minstrel,</span>&nbsp; Tricky Miki,&nbsp; Ideal Agent,&nbsp; Pinny Tiger</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Three Rumours,</span>&nbsp; Beyond The Sea,&nbsp; Zephyra,&nbsp; Ima Tiny Dancer</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Rockaball,</span>&nbsp; Hes Never Been Beta,&nbsp; Cowboys n Bandits,&nbsp; Alta Rhett</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hotly Pursued,</span>&nbsp; Lucapelo,&nbsp; Travelban,&nbsp; Balingup Boy</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Menemsha,</span><span>&nbsp; Ten To The Dozen,&nbsp; Thenu Came Along,&nbsp; Thelittle Master</span></div><div>Race 10- <span>Ponzi Beach,</span>&nbsp; Here Comes Sharkie,&nbsp; Maddy Rocks,&nbsp; Fiord</div><div><br /></div><div><span>Albany</span></div><div>R1- Pecunious</div><div>R2- Bazaar Package</div><div>R3- American Monarch</div><div>R4- Chillin</div><div>R5- Chasing Hill</div><div>R6- Thomson Bay</div><div>R7- Crowded Reactor</div><div>R8- Del Bocavista Bay</div>]]></description>
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      <title>Chinese new year</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28050/chinese-new-year</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Gilgamesh</dc:creator>
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      <title>Vale Bill Godecke</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28051/vale-bill-godecke</link>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2024 23:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Chariotsonfire</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[The last of the three Godecke brothers passed away this week. Golta and Renaud were just two of the quality horses that he owned and trained. The Godeckes had a big impact on the industry in the 60s and 70s. Bill moved to owning and training thoroughbreds later in life and always came across as a gentleman.]]></description>
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      <title>Tuesday Night Win Pools GP</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28046/tuesday-night-win-pools-gp</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2024 02:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>The problems in Victoria re power, which affected combined tote <br />pools, showed just how deeply unpopular the WA Harness product is with only one <br />win pool over $3k at GP on Tuesday Night. How embarrassing?</div><div><br /></div><div>$1326, $1800, $2855, $3086, $1786, $1572, $1557, $2086, $1448, $2252 across the 10 races for an average of a pathetic $1977.</div><div><br /></div><div>The denialists will have those numbers covered.....it was a one off, it is just TABtouch and everyone bets with the corporates, would have been far worse if it was Narrogin or Bunbury, it was a hot night, we don't need the $20 dollar punter, it's Albos fault....or whatever.</div><div><br /></div><div>Realists will be aware that the Industry is in a deep and probably unrecoverable crisis. It is going broke at a rate of knots, the gradual decline is now in freefall. Punters do not have any affinity or loyalty to the product.But, nothing to see, another "cracking night" (of GSL 1) coming up will be the line from propaganda central.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <title>Hayden King new trot show.</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28040/hayden-king-new-trot-show</link>
      <pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Frog</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[From talking trots 2 weeks ago sounded like it would start tomorrow 12/02/24<div>Haven't heard anything since.</div><div>But it does take longer for news travelling south.</div>]]></description>
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      <title>Pinjarra Monday.</title>
      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28045/pinjarra-monday</link>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2024 11:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Frog</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Will the Pinjarra meeting go ahead or change to a cooler Wednesday.<div>Bunbury were getting Sky 1 on the 11 oclock meeting with great turnover.</div><div>Ascot has changed to Wednesday from Sunday so the Sky 1 slots may be</div><div>gone.</div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28031/williams-off-due-to-heat</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2024 15:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>With Williams unfortunately but understandably losing it's meeting this Sunday (abandoned due to heat), it leaves it with just one racing date left on February 25th. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>That may well be all she wrote as far as Williams continuing as a racing venue, Goodnight Irene I fear. Certainly, the jungle drums were beating last year that a number of venues would lose dates, possibly back to just one "boutique" Cup meeting per year. Although that appears to work quite well at Kunnunurra and other novelty type outer racing venues, I think that Harness Clubs would not be able to sustain their volunteer base of tracks for just one go per year. Trainers using those venues would also&nbsp; probably put the cue back in the rack.</div><div><br /></div><div>Turnover was cited at the time as one of the drivers for "rationalisation"....we are told it has absolutely&nbsp; fallen off the cliff across all codes post the Covid Sugar Hit ....and it will probably be used to "rationalise" Bridgetown (currently also with only two racing dates). Track safety will also emerge with a current review/report being prepared which spells danger for Busselton and Collie, they are also probably doomed regardless of turnover or crowds.</div><div><br /></div><div>You wonder what the landscape will look like in a year or two. Clearly, WACHRA put together a strong case via a lengthy submission to Government on retaining tracks and dates. Like most submissions to Government and semi government QUANGO's like RWWA, it was met with polite smiles, enthusiasm from the Opposition,&nbsp; vague non core expressions of support and it is now probably gathering dust in some corner of Dumas House. Other industry groups probably didn't bother reading the contents and have remained fairly oblivious and languid in their responses to the bleeding reality of Industry shrinkage.</div><div><br /></div><div>Obviously, GP with its "redevelopment/sell off"&nbsp; isn't going anywhere due to the influence it has over RWWA as illustrated by the allocation of $24.7 million of funding helping to maintain a track of the same dimensions along with a new Pavilion for 300 members, same with Pinjarra and Bunbury....maybe Northam and Albany survive the executioners sword, with question marks about Central Wheatbelt, and one of either Wagin and Narrogin. Politics may play some role as Libby Mettam in Busselton would probably fight tooth and nail to keep Busso alive and Collie may be interesting as a potentially vulnerable government held seat.<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Despite bleatings from Government (and the very reduced opposition) about the importance to communities of Country Clubs and Race meetings and their undying support for regional communities, the future looks pretty bleak for country harness. Gloucester Park is already running community $6,000 races on Tuesday along with three $9,000 races tomorrow night in order to make up full programmes of 10 races with full fields. Again this is understandable given the needless demographic "bulging" of the lower levels of the racing population due to the "drop back on steroids" system in HWOE, where far more horses drop back than go up.</div><div><br /></div><div>I think going forward it will be a very, very reduced industry and when stakes reality strikes home as the other codes demand their pound of turnover flesh after the current distribution subsidy and guaranteed built in stake increase arrangement finishes in 12 months time, the very reduced industry must by definition race for very reduced stakes.<br /></div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28033/gp-the-laurie-kennedy-f-m-gp3</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2024 23:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;<span>Rocknroll Elliot,&nbsp;</span> Regal Cheval,&nbsp; Sugar Apple,&nbsp; The Kraken<div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Rolling Fire,&nbsp;</span> Cordero,&nbsp; Lil Happy Fella,&nbsp; Onesmartfella</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;Jawsoflincoln,&nbsp;</span> Hotly Pursued,&nbsp; The Miki Taker,&nbsp; Soho Santorini</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Minstrel,</span>&nbsp; Ideal Agent,&nbsp; Finvarra,&nbsp; Talks Up A Storm</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Steno</span>,&nbsp; Wonderful To Fly,&nbsp; Taking The Miki,&nbsp; Rumour Has It</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Ardens Horizon</span>,&nbsp; Fly To Fame,&nbsp; Feeling Aces,&nbsp; Otis</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Ponzi Beach,</span>&nbsp; Azterian,&nbsp; Troopingofthecolor,&nbsp; You Fly With Me</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Hes Never Been Beta,</span>&nbsp; Rockaball,&nbsp; Lady Prima Donna,&nbsp; Lucapelo</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Gregarmy,</span>&nbsp; Our Star Watch,&nbsp; Disco Under Fire,&nbsp; Star Of Willoughby</div><div>Race 10-<span> Xceptional Arma,</span>&nbsp; In A Wink,&nbsp; Luci Kane,&nbsp; World Secret</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28021/gp-wa-trotters-cup-gp2-media-guild-cup</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2024 23:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>VillageKid</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<span>GP</span><div><span>Race 1-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>All Is Well,</span>&nbsp; Travelban,&nbsp; Fly To Fame,&nbsp; Lucapelo</div><div><span>Race 2-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;The Miki Taker,</span>&nbsp; Post Game,&nbsp; Flying Rumour,&nbsp; Illawong Mustang</div><div><span>Race 3-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Sugar Street,</span>&nbsp; Rocknroll Sass,&nbsp; Sugar Apple,&nbsp; Our Star Watch</div><div><span>Race 4-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Alcopony,</span>&nbsp; Showpony,&nbsp; Rascal,&nbsp; Solesseo Matuca</div><div><span>Race 5-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Our Maestoso,</span>&nbsp; Evas Image,&nbsp; Patched,&nbsp; Tricky Ric</div><div><span>Race 6-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Cowboys n Bandits,</span>&nbsp; Louie Lebeau,&nbsp; Alfredi,&nbsp; Fiord</div><div><span>Race 7-&nbsp; </span><span>&nbsp;October Reign,</span>&nbsp; Regal Cheval,&nbsp; Per Ardua Ad Astra,&nbsp; The Watch Maker</div><div><span>Race 8-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Ardens Horizon,</span>&nbsp; Watching Our Coin,&nbsp; Acuto,&nbsp; Withoutthetuh</div><div><span>Race 9-&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span>Pinny Tiger,</span>&nbsp; Lil Happy Fella,&nbsp; Tiger Royal,&nbsp; Montana Glory</div><div>Race 10- <span>Rumour Has It</span>,&nbsp; Three Rumours,&nbsp; Beyond The Sea,&nbsp; Alta Queen</div><div><br /></div><div><span>Albany</span></div><div>R1- Princess Katie</div><div>R2- Quintessence</div><div>R3- Tinseltown</div><div>R4- Chillin</div><div>R5- Pocketful Of Opals</div><div>R6- Thomson Bay</div><div>R7- Cracka Tinny</div><div>R8- On Golden Road</div><div><br /></div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28022/ranking-clarity-on-the-big-six-majors</link>
      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2024 02:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>I think the position released yesterday by Cameron Brown on the clarity surrounding publication of rankings, and uses of preludes, heats (possibly) and lead up races, is an excellent move. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Owners need to know where their horses stand and although the jungle drum beaters opposed this when previously instituted, it is long overdue.&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>I also like the idea of a big "Westbred Night" for all ages preceded by heats 10 days earlier. Again, some will remain vehemently opposed to heats thinking they have an entitlement for their horse to get an automatic start in the final, citing bad luck in the heats can work against them....but bad luck can work against or for you...even in the final.&nbsp; So, thumbs up from me.</div><div><br /></div><div>I still believe the dates of the Pacing Cup and the Fremantle Cup are in need of urgent review. Barring evidence showing a big jump in turnover on the Cup when shifted to November last year, and a subsequent sustained increase in turnover resulting form the change (not just a one off sugar hit), the overall effect was the Summer/Christmas Period all but dissolved into thin air without the Cup being run at it it's traditional time. Two weeks after the Golden Nugget in very late December/New Years Eve, returning to its traditional timeslot like the very successful New Years Day Perth Cup at Ascot this year, almost demands the move.</div><div><br /></div><div>And the placement of the Fremantle Cup as an afterthought the week after the Nullabor just seems illogical.. Two weeks before the Nullabor as a lead up makes in my mind a whole lot more sense, any potential visitors far more likely to come early and race as they will be most unlikely to suit up a week after the grueling Nullabor (same for local horses). Hopefully, they have a look at the scheduling.<br /> </div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28020/help-from-chariots</link>
      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2024 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[<div>Old race book Chariots March 9 1990.</div><div><br /></div><div>Losing betting ticket written by fielder "W Notman", a name I cannot recall at all, on Worthy Andy (Phil Coulson) ran 2nd to Trunkey Commando (Reg Musgrave). Do you recall W.Notman?<br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Fielders listed in the book are:</div><div>S.Nicholaides</div><div>R Beavis</div><div>B. Francis</div><div>R.Evans</div><div>R.Howat</div><div>R.Cooper</div><div>L.Kanther</div><div>M.Kalaf</div><div>W.Notman</div><div>Eastern States:</div><div>R.P Evans</div><div>R.E Michell</div><div>Phil was still up and about at that time, bookended the card with Via Valencia Race 1 and Mahere Race 10. Other winners were Meadow Bogart (GDH),Bobbys Dream (Tricky), Even Par (LBH), Aphrodite Gold (Lou Austin), My Current Account (Ray Duffy) , Sorella Bella (Lou Austin) and The Storm Boy (Tricky).</div><div>The Pony Trot was won by Silver Toy driven by Nathan Scott trained by Matthew Scott.<br /></div>]]></description>
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      <link>https://mail.ptt.juicebox.cloudsites.net.au/discussion/discussion/28003/new-metro-programming</link>
      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2024 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>Rocket_Reign</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Anyone seen the new metro programming starting next week? probably deserves a bit of discussion. Nothings been said to participants yet. To me it looks to go against everything HWOE system stands for ]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2024 23:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
      <dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
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      <description><![CDATA[Huge loss with American Ideal having to be put down just before returning to the USA. <br />]]></description>
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